Do you think that the Ndrangheta will become stronger than the American families already present in a future loved ones.
The Ursino de Gioiosa Ionica is apparently already considered the 6th family in New York.
Clan Commisso and Aquino-Coluccio clan are also present in New York.
Does anyone have their staff and members and are they present in other major cities in the United States as they are in Canada?

If we are to believe Nicola Gratteri, one of the most respected anti-mafia prosecutors,"the Ndranheta is quickly spreading in the United States, particularly in Florida and New York".

It will be very difficult at this moment to know who all the major players are because there hasn't been many arrests or homicides pointing in their direction. I believe they are already there in more numbers than is led to be believed and they will in the future prevail based on their will to expand globally, structure, obedience to their code and low profile but this is just my opinion.
At the moment they have formed partnership with the existing Cosa Nostra in NY but if the american mafia continues to self destruct by having too many informants, it will leave a vacuum and the Ndrangheta will fill in that void.

The power of the ndrangheta is the blood ties,look at the gigliotti case hisband,wife and son run the coke ring,other difference is the the Santa a different level of nfrangheta ranks,the santisti can do things for what the other members would be killed and most import the ndrangheta grow in the silence and in the usa as I said the ndrangheta is marked by the government so anyway who know.

I agree Furio their blood ties & family structure makes them less vulnerable to having police enforcement penetrate their organization and if one turns informant then he will have to turn in his own flesh and blood. That is why there are less informants in the Ndrangheta compared to other criminal organizations.

The Calabrians are so low key and secretive, they will never be a huge target for the feds.

They can't supplant the New York families while maintaining a low-key profile. This is why it won't happen. They don't want to be on the radar of the feds so they cannot be too ambitious if they want to continue to operate in the area without much scrutiny.

Don't fool yourself thinking the feds or NYPD don't have their eye on them. They don't appear to be a priority for them at the moment but they will when their presence becomes abundant.

They do but I compare the Calabrians with the Russians. Once in a while some get caught but most stay under the radar in NY and Florida.

They do but I compare the Calabrians with the Russians. Once in a while some get caught but most stay under the radar in NY and Florida.

They can't supplant the New York families while maintaining a low-key profile. This is why it won't happen. They don't want to be on the radar of the feds so they cannot be too ambitious if they want to continue to operate in the area without much scrutiny.

Don't fool yourself thinking the feds or NYPD don't have their eye on them. They don't appear to be a priority for them at the moment but they will when their presence becomes abundant.

They often have normal jobs you would never think that guy is someone important in the 'Ndrangheta.

I bet the feds or cops are aware. They may not be able to have enough hard evidence to start prosecution but they will monitor them.

I bet the feds or cops are aware. They may not have enough hard evidence to start a case but they will monitor them.

Yes the feds are aware because they work closely with the Italians, but we have seen already the 'ndrangheta had guys in the FBI who tipped them off.

please!!

a lot of ppl think the calabrians are like ghosts lol

Is there any chance that Calabrians combine with the five families just like Camorra and mafia did in1920s? Any chance those guys become new crews of zips?

Is there any chance that Calabrians combine with the five families just like Camorra and mafia did in1920s? Any chance those guys become new crews of zips?

Do they have a presence in Chicago or California and other major American cities?
Chicago or Detroit seem to me to be good places to settle because they have a strong presence in Canada and that cities are on the border.

I have never said or implied that the ndrangheta will win the war with the feds. Ndrangheta members still get arrested in Italy due to wiretapping and other methods that police use. What I said was if the NY mafia continues on the same path of self destruction by having informants testify on their own people then someone else (ndrangheta) will fill the void.

And if they fill the void they will be on the radar of the feds, which I can imagine is something they want to avoid.

Furthermore, it seems the feds and the mob have reached a status quo. The feds mob squads are downsized and there hasn't been a turncoat in years that is doing much damage to the families. At this point attrition poses a larger treat to the existance of the mob, but this is a slow process that will take many more years and within these years anything can happen.

I agree once identified they will always be under the radar of the feds.The only difference if they do fill the void, the feds will have a greater difficulty in penetrating the Ndrangheta and producing turncoats because of their blood ties.

In Ontario for example, there were four ndrangheta cells/families that were generally known to the press & public. Because of an investigation that was carried out by Italian authorities, it was discovered that there were as many seven in Toronto GTA alone not including Hamilton. This brings up the number to 9 possibly 10 families. How is it possible that these newly discovered families were able to hide from under the Canadian feds and Italian authorities all these years. Furthermore they don't seem to have a recruiting problem due to their blood ties and organizational structure.
In New York they didn't just appear out of thin air.