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Aiden seems to like HuffPo as a source, so:


Police Work Isn’t as Dangerous as You May Think
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/blake-fleetwood/how-dangerous-is-police-w_b_6373798.html


After the senseless death and tragic funerals of two young New York City policeman, cops have got to be thinking about assassination. “I want to go home to my wife and kids,” said a cop to the New York Post.” I am concerned about my safety.”


On NBC’s Meet the Press,” NYC Police Commissioner William Bratton said that cops across the country “feel under attack”
They have good reason to worry. Getting killed is a hazard in many occupations, but there is one glaring difference between death risks of law enforcement officers and those of other dangerous occupations: only police officers face the threat of murder as a part of their job. No one is out trying to kill fisherman or loggers or garbage collectors.

A cop on the street endures daily contact with drunks, the mentally disabled and violent criminals. They endure life-and-death situations on a daily basis.
However, the misconception that police work is dangerous, propagated by the media and police unions, could become a self-fulfilling prophecy— especially if police believe that they are going into deadly battle when they head out on patrol. They are likely to be nervous and trigger-happy and might affect their decision-making in a stressful situation.

The fact is: being a policeman is not one of the most dangerous jobs you can have, according to statistics from the Bureau of Labor.
In five years, 2008 to 2012, only one policeman was killed by a firearm in the line of duty in New York City. Police officers are many times more likely to commit suicide than to be killed by a criminal; nine NYC policemen attempted to take their own lives in 2012, alone. Eight succeeded. In 2013, eight NYPD officers attempted suicide, while six succeeded. If police want to protect themselves, a wise move might be to invest in psychiatric counseling, rather than increased firepower.

2013 had the fewest police deaths by firearms since 1887 nationwide.
The national figures vary widely from year to year. In 2014, police deaths in the line of duty, including heart attacks, spiked upward from 100 in 2013, to 126 in 2014.


But the trend has been clearly downward in the last 40 years. Police work is getting progressively safer compared with historical averages:
From 1970 to 1980 police deaths averaged 231 per year.
1980 to 1989: police deaths averaged 190.7.
1990 to 1999: police deaths averaged 161.5.
2000 to 2009: police deaths averaged 165.
2013 to 2014: police deaths averaged 113.

Statistics are drawn from the police friendly National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund which also show that felony killings of police dropped by 50 percent from 1992 to 2013 from 10,000 to 5,000 annually per 100,000 residents.
Statistics are notably unreliable both from the federal government and from law enforcement friendly sites. The best statistics come from the New York City Police Firearms Discharge Reports.

The report for 2013 noted the following:

—- In 1971, 12 officers were killed by other persons and police shot and killed 93 subjects.
—- In 2013, no officers were shot and killed and police killed eight subjects.

To put the risk of policing in perspective: fisherman and loggers are 10 times more likely to be killed on the job than a police officer, a farmer is 2 times more likely to die on the job, according to national figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. A logging worker is eight times more likely than a police officer to die on the job, and a garbage man is three times more likely to die while working.

The 10 Deadliest Jobs: Deaths per 100,000

1. Logging workers: 128.8
2. Fishers and related fishing workers: 117
3. Aircraft pilot and flight engineers: 53.4
4. Roofers: 40.5
5. Structural iron and steel workers: 37
6. Refuse and recyclable material collectors: 27.1
7. Electrical power-line installers and repairers: 23
8. Drivers/sales workers and truck drivers: 22.1
9. Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers: 21.3
10. Construction laborers: 17.4

Out of approximately one million police and law enforcement personnel, with 126 deaths per year, the death rate for police is 12.6 per hundred thousand.
The most dangerous job in the U.S. is being president. Eight out of 44 presidents died in office, about 18 percent. Four were assassinated, just over 9 percent.
Most policemen killed on the job die in accidents (mostly auto), not from firearm assault, according to the FBI.

According to FBI figures (which are slightly different than other tabulations), 14 of the 76 police deaths in 2013, nation-wide, were due to auto accidents —- when the officer wasn’t wearing a seatbelt. Tragic for sure.
Of the 76 cops who died in the line of duty in 2013, 18 of them were from gunfire. The rest were traffic fatalities or slips and falls.

Assailants used personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.) in 80.2 percent of the incidents, firearms in 4.3 percent of incidents, and knives or other cutting instruments in 1.7 percent of the incidents.
About 40 percent of officers (30) who die in the line of duty are homicides, which would give police a murder rate of 3 per 100,000, compared with the average national murder rate for the general population of 5.6 per 100,000.
The average citizen of Chicago had a murder risk of 18.5 in 2012, more than three times the murder risk of policeman. Police killings are almost always classified as line-of-duty.
In reality, police don’t draw or fire their guns very much.

Many NYC cops never draw their weapons in their whole career. In New York City, only one cop in 755 fired his or her gun at a suspect intentionally in 2012. In 2013, only one of 850 officers fired a weapon at a suspect intentionally.
In 2012, 80.2 percent of officers who were assaulted in the line of duty were attacked with personal weapons (e.g., hands, fists, or feet). 4.3 percent of the officers were assaulted with firearms.

The reason a policeman’s job is getting safer is simple. There has been a dramatic drop in crime in the last two decades. Less crime means safer working conditions for the people who try to stop it.
The act of policing needs to be safer. Use body cameras. Cut down on the number of traffic accidents. Mandate the use of seat belts on duty. Enforce better and more professional training to avoid dangerous situations, and offer better counseling to deal with the stress of the job.
Attacks on police are a great media story, but if the false narrative — that policing is getting more dangerous — continues to spread it will have a significant effect on how police do their jobs —- making them more fearful than they already are, with increasingly deadly results for the general public.

I get it. Black Lives Matter.

Thanks.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Whaaaa???

If you post actual statistics regarding police dangers vs. other job dangers, you're anti-cop?
My goodness....

If you're going to factor body armor, you have to factor how many roofers took a tumble, were seriously injured, but didn't die.
No way around it.
There are at least 10 occupations which workers take more of a risk than police offices, and none of them are first responders.
The danger of a police officer's job is hyperbole, propagated by their unions.

Yeah, let's see you get on that roof on a July morning when it's expected to hit triple digit temperatures, for the 14th day straight, and then nearly lose your balance while ripping out shingles. You'd take a job staring down tweens like Wyatt Earp while riding around in the ghettos in an air conditioned police cruiser, in a heartbeat.

But the odds are, you won't get shot at by a gang banger. The odds of falling off that roof or having a heat stroke were much greater.
There are at least 10 jobs more dangerous than that of a police officers, among them roofing, maintenance work...and fishing.

Well, Aidan, let's just bet back to the numbers. Roofing, maintenance work, and even fishing are more dangerous jobs than being a police officer. You can't say that police getting shot and not dying should count while not considering that people in these others jobs get serious injuries without dying.
The bottom line is, being a police officer isn't nearly as dangerous as the police say it is. It's more dangerous to be a truck driver.

If you're going to say that roof accidents are self caused, then it could be the case for police injuries, too. They too could have been taking unnecessary risks outside of their legal authority. They could have been acting like idiots.

Not anti-cop at all.
I'm pro truth.
Just sharing facts.
Being a police officer is not nearly as dangerous as police say it is.

Were you at one time a cop? How can you make these claims? What experiences in life have you had that you can weigh in on anything?

From 1970 to 1980 police deaths averaged 231 per year.
1980 to 1989: police deaths averaged 190.7.
1990 to 1999: police deaths averaged 161.5.
2000 to 2009: police deaths averaged 165.
2013 to 2014: police deaths averaged 113.'

The statistics are per captia. Doesn't matter how many are in each profession.

It's just a fact.
Fishing is more dangerous than being a cop. So is maintenance work. So is roofing.
The numbers don't lie.

The same factors could be considered in the other professions.

Such, as, where do such roofers work. What is the weather like. What is the wind like.

You can't use a standard to skew numbers on one side and not use them for the other. It wouldn't be honest.

I would think wind would be a factor for roofers. Sudden wind gusts. Anyhow, there's several others. That was just one example. So, you can take any of these professions aside from that of police officer, and point out factors that would effect various locations. It all evens out.

You said that being a cop is the worst job in America. It's not even close. And, considering the eligibility requirements for pensions and even paid leaves, it's actually a very easy job, with exception to the rare event of taking live fire.

I would think wind would be a factor for roofers. Sudden wind gusts. Anyhow, there's several others. That was just one example. So, you can take any of these professions aside from that of police officer, and point out factors that would effect various locations. It all evens out.

You said that being a cop is the worst job in America. It's not even close. And, considering the eligibility requirements for pensions and even paid leaves, it's actually a very easy job, with exception to the rare event of taking live fire.

President Trump: I would have run into school during shooting ‘even if I didn’t have a weapon’

My ex son in law is a nyc cop he is definately a coward. The job attraction for him is get his 20 yrs in and retire.

I say take away their semi automatics and bring back the revolver so they have to aim and shoot. Now they hide behind a wall and shoot their 17rounds or more without aiming. That is how innocent people get hit.

Even in cities with the highest murder rates, most cops will never need to use their guns, nor will they take fire. Many of these cities, no matter how poor, have most of their budgets going to police officers. In many of them, police are eligible for retirement in as early as 20 years. Cops have a pretty sweet deal nowadays. You can do a lot worse.

Even in cities with the highest murder rates, most cops will never need to use their guns, nor will they take fire. Many of these cities, no matter how poor, have most of their budgets going to police officers. In many of them, police are eligible for retirement in as early as 20 years. Cops have a pretty sweet deal nowadays. You can do a lot worse.

Very Few people are even shot today by cops...about 500 a year.
Most shootings are black officers shooting black perps IN commission of a Felony.

One doesnt need to be Superman to be a cop, but one cant or shouldnt be a coward either, you dont know until youre in that position.

http://www.tampabay.com/florida-pol...-shooting-even-if-i-didnt-have-a-weapon/

Bwahaha. haha. Haaa. HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

[. I am pretty sure he would have gone in. .