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Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ? #910496
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There definitely used to be Anglo mob groups in the US ( such as Benny Binion's organization ) but now they seem to have gone the way of the dodo . Which is strange since one would think that there would still be a few Anglo outfits kicking about , especially in the Southern US . I mean the culture of Anglos in the Southern US is famous for having traits that are conducive to organized crime .

So have Anglo mob groups truly died out ? Or are they a few outfits about that just don't get much limelight ?

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You use the term Anglo mob but is the irish mob borned with the irish men lande in the 1800s. There in the South the dici mafia and other irish groups in the big cities but they wasn't organizated like LCN so apart few cases they are dead or lost its identity.

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Dixie mafia wasn't a structured group to begin with and just a name given to a group of traveling criminals.

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Yes they exist just there's no unique brand name to label them. 1% clubs are your closest to anglo mobs per say.


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BlackFamily why you say anglo mobs?
There was no english mob but an irish mobs.

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There are no anglo mobs organized by ethnicity. The anglos have been here since the mayflower, they are the most assimilated group in the country.

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That's an interesting question, I was asking myself this too, why no ethnic Anglo-Saxon mobs in the USA. In the UK, there are plenty of local mafia-type organizations, but they never took hold in America. The Shelton brothers maybe are the only exception (the ones who were at war with Charlie Birger during Prohibition, bombed his headquarters from an airplane even). I am not 100% sure they were really Anglo-Saxon though, anyone could confirm or refute this?


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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
That's an interesting question, I was asking myself this too, why no ethnic Anglo-Saxon mobs in the USA. In the UK, there are plenty of local mafia-type organizations, but they never took hold in America. The Shelton brothers maybe are the only exception (the ones who were at war with Charlie Birger during Prohibition, bombed his headquarters from an airplane even). I am not 100% sure they were really Anglo-Saxon though, anyone could confirm or refute this?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelton_Brothers_Gang

Ancestors of the Shelton Brothers Gang trace their roots back to Ireland, under the surname "Hunter".Nope they was Irish.

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EVERY ethnicity have a criminal groups to various degree. So yes there is an 'Emglish Mob' over here in the US. There's no 'label' nor 'brand name' to fit them. So you juat have variety of Criminal Enterprises/Syndicates. The Dixie Mob had Croatians, Scot-Irish , and English in it's network.

These 1% bikers have English in them. Simon City Royals have English them. So on and so forth.


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That's an interesting question, I was asking myself this too, why no ethnic Anglo-Saxon mobs in the USA. In the UK, there are plenty of local mafia-type organizations, but they never took hold in America. The Shelton brothers maybe are the only exception (the ones who were at war with Charlie Birger during Prohibition, bombed his headquarters from an airplane even). I am not 100% sure they were really Anglo-Saxon though, anyone could confirm or refute this?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelton_Brothers_Gang

Ancestors of the Shelton Brothers Gang trace their roots back to Ireland, under the surname "Hunter".Nope they was Irish.

Interesting, I see this has been added to the wikipedia article, last time I checked it time ago, it wasn't there. But is there a source for the information? I have a book about the Shelton brothers, "Brothers notorious" by Taylor Pensonneau, it says the Sheltons moved from Kentucky to Wayne county in the middle of the 19th century, but they were already called Shelton by then. It seems the author could find detailed information about their ancestors before they came to America, it was probably centuries before that, so I wonder where does the information that they were called Hunter in Ireland, come from. It's interesting, hope they provide a link to the source later.


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Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
Furio

Dixie mafia wasn't a structured group to begin with and just a name given to a group of traveling criminals.

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Yes they exist just there's no unique brand name to label them. 1% clubs are your closest to anglo mobs per say.


I must say it's interesting that pretty much all known criminal organizations that have a large amount of Anglo members are 1% clubs or ( usually prison based ) white power outfits . I suppose part of the reason as to why is the fact that many urban areas in America have had a major lack of lower and working class Anglo Americans for some time now .

Then again quite a few Southern cities have large lower/working class Anglo American populations , yet still lack any bona fide Anglo mob groups . This topic would make for an interesting sociological study at any rate .

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Check out the "Cornbread Mafia." A really interesting story and not one we have really heard about.

https://goodmenproject.com/arts/the-corn...ss-of-kentucky/

I can think of others like Drew Thornton's organization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_C._Thornton_II

and the Columbus Air Force

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Air_Force

For something more recent, a 5 billion dollar gambling ring in Dallas.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-r...history-7124611

I think there are plenty of organized criminals of "Anglo" descent. But since their culture is essentially the culture de jure of the United States they aren't typically labeled as such. Some might call it privilege of the majority.

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"culture de jure of the United States they aren't typically labeled"

Bingo! Perfect statement.


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Whats anglo group? Mafia still here in the northeast and a couple biker gangs which are mostly white guys. I dont think theres a skinhead nazi gang in the northeast but in the federal prison system mAybe down penn. Or w vir.

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Originally Posted By: BigRed
Check out the "Cornbread Mafia." A really interesting story and not one we have really heard about.

https://goodmenproject.com/arts/the-corn...ss-of-kentucky/

I can think of others like Drew Thornton's organization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_C._Thornton_II

and the Columbus Air Force

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Air_Force

For something more recent, a 5 billion dollar gambling ring in Dallas.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-r...history-7124611

I think there are plenty of organized criminals of "Anglo" descent. But since their culture is essentially the culture de jure of the United States they aren't typically labeled as such. Some might call it privilege of the majority.


Thanks for those ones BigRed, especially the last one.

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Originally Posted By: BigRed
Check out the "Cornbread Mafia." A really interesting story and not one we have really heard about.

https://goodmenproject.com/arts/the-corn...ss-of-kentucky/

I can think of others like Drew Thornton's organization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_C._Thornton_II

and the Columbus Air Force

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Air_Force

For something more recent, a 5 billion dollar gambling ring in Dallas.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-r...history-7124611

I think there are plenty of organized criminals of "Anglo" descent. But since their culture is essentially the culture de jure of the United States they aren't typically labeled as such. Some might call it privilege of the majority.


None of these are mob groups though . It's definitely a fact that many present day criminal organizations in the US have Anglo American members , however I'm specifically interested in the existence of bona fide Anglo American " mafia style " groups like Florida's late Cracker Mob or the organization that Benny Binion led .

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2A,

The "mafia style" structure your intrigue is really going to be little to non existence in these groups. Think about it from a different angle, How many crime groups or Firms in England have that structure? There's different structures that effective for 1 group but not for others per say.


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I would think the prison based white power groups would be the closest thing?

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Never heard of Anglo gangs but I guess there has always been British villains operating in the US to some degree but not as gangs.


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"Dixie mafia" was always a term for local criminal groups that conducted fairly organized mob-like activities in the Deep South (mainly Mississippi, Alabama, rural Georgia and Florida...). I'd say they're as close to "Anglo" as it gets in the USA. They're not big "gangs" as such; I'd say they veered closer to the UK "crime firms" in terms of structure. Smaller, independent mobs with a reasonable level of organization.
Are mobs like these still active in parts of the South? Most probably, yes.

The white prison gangs like Aryan Brotherhood for instance may have that "Irish" thing going on in their history, but I'd say in places like Cali most of them have an "Anglo" background.

If I have to go by a book I read, several London mobs have made travels to the USA (mainly Florida), but I don't really think they had any real businesses going on there. I mean, OC always has to operate from a certain community. The off-the-boat British community isn't really big enough in any part of the USA, and most British that do live in the US don't really have the background OC thrives off.

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Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
2A,

The "mafia style" structure your intrigue is really going to be little to non existence in these groups. Think about it from a different angle, How many crime groups or Firms in England have that structure? There's different structures that effective for 1 group but not for others per say.


It's certainly true that one cannot expect all mob groups to have the same structure , however the point I was trying to make was that no currently existing Anglo criminal organizations in the USA can be put into the same category as ( say ) the late Benny Binion organization .

I mean the Aryan Brotherhood ( as well as many other white power prison outfits ) definitely has a structure , yet it would be a mistake to refer to it as a mob group , since it's a completely different type of criminal organization . After all these white power prison gangs pretty much confine their activities to behind prison walls , so it would be a mistake to put them into the same category as bona fide mob groups .

At any rate while I admit this topic might be a little bit pedantic , I still think it's interesting to note that Anglo mob groups have essentially gone the way of the dodo in the US . Numerous reasons probably abound as to why , but it seems that Anglo criminals prefer criminal networks to criminal organizations when outside of prison .

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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
"Dixie mafia" was always a term for local criminal groups that conducted fairly organized mob-like activities in the Deep South (mainly Mississippi, Alabama, rural Georgia and Florida...). I'd say they're as close to "Anglo" as it gets in the USA. They're not big "gangs" as such; I'd say they veered closer to the UK "crime firms" in terms of structure. Smaller, independent mobs with a reasonable level of organization.
Are mobs like these still active in parts of the South? Most probably, yes.

The white prison gangs like Aryan Brotherhood for instance may have that "Irish" thing going on in their history, but I'd say in places like Cali most of them have an "Anglo" background.

If I have to go by a book I read, several London mobs have made travels to the USA (mainly Florida), but I don't really think they had any real businesses going on there. I mean, OC always has to operate from a certain community. The off-the-boat British community isn't really big enough in any part of the USA, and most British that do live in the US don't really have the background OC thrives off.


To my knowledge the so called Dixie mafia wasn't organized at all . It just happened to be a network of White Southern criminals who got the mafia label stuck to them , because the feds were desperate to put away a few of their members for a long time .

Of course the Dixie mafia did have members who were more influential than others ( such as Mike Gillich ) , but even he was far from being a mob boss to my understanding .

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"Dixie mafia" was always a term for local criminal groups that conducted fairly organized mob-like activities in the Deep South (mainly Mississippi, Alabama, rural Georgia and Florida...). I'd say they're as close to "Anglo" as it gets in the USA. They're not big "gangs" as such; I'd say they veered closer to the UK "crime firms" in terms of structure. Smaller, independent mobs with a reasonable level of organization.
Are mobs like these still active in parts of the South? Most probably, yes.

The white prison gangs like Aryan Brotherhood for instance may have that "Irish" thing going on in their history, but I'd say in places like Cali most of them have an "Anglo" background.

If I have to go by a book I read, several London mobs have made travels to the USA (mainly Florida), but I don't really think they had any real businesses going on there. I mean, OC always has to operate from a certain community. The off-the-boat British community isn't really big enough in any part of the USA, and most British that do live in the US don't really have the background OC thrives off.


To my knowledge the so called Dixie mafia wasn't organized at all . It just happened to be a network of White Southern criminals who got the mafia label stuck to them , because the feds were desperate to put away a few of their members for a long time .

Of course the Dixie mafia did have members who were more influential than others ( such as Mike Gillich ) , but even he was far from being a mob boss to my understanding .


My point is that there, of course, was never a big organized criminal structure called the "Dixie mafia". Every small mob-like outfit active in the Deep South was being described as the "Dixie mafia". Were they "organized"? Depends on what you'd call "organized". They were not "organized" in the same way you'd call the New York Families "organized". But when you're making the benjamins with racketeering activities like some of those small outfits were making (take for instance a look at Harlan Blackburn's "Cracker mob"), I'd reckon you're worthy of being described as "organized crime".

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I mean the Aryan Brotherhood ( as well as many other white power prison outfits ) definitely has a structure , yet it would be a mistake to refer to it as a mob group , since it's a completely different type of criminal organization . After all these white power prison gangs pretty much confine their activities to behind prison walls , so it would be a mistake to put them into the same category as bona fide mob groups .


I don't know to which extent those stories are true, but there are sources claiming the AB do get shit done on the outside as well.
Does that mean they're comparable to the mob? Probably not. Organized crime? To some extent, for sure.

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"Dixie mafia" was always a term for local criminal groups that conducted fairly organized mob-like activities in the Deep South (mainly Mississippi, Alabama, rural Georgia and Florida...). I'd say they're as close to "Anglo" as it gets in the USA. They're not big "gangs" as such; I'd say they veered closer to the UK "crime firms" in terms of structure. Smaller, independent mobs with a reasonable level of organization.
Are mobs like these still active in parts of the South? Most probably, yes.

The white prison gangs like Aryan Brotherhood for instance may have that "Irish" thing going on in their history, but I'd say in places like Cali most of them have an "Anglo" background.

If I have to go by a book I read, several London mobs have made travels to the USA (mainly Florida), but I don't really think they had any real businesses going on there. I mean, OC always has to operate from a certain community. The off-the-boat British community isn't really big enough in any part of the USA, and most British that do live in the US don't really have the background OC thrives off.


To my knowledge the so called Dixie mafia wasn't organized at all . It just happened to be a network of White Southern criminals who got the mafia label stuck to them , because the feds were desperate to put away a few of their members for a long time .

Of course the Dixie mafia did have members who were more influential than others ( such as Mike Gillich ) , but even he was far from being a mob boss to my understanding .


My point is that there, of course, was never a big organized criminal structure called the "Dixie mafia". Every small mob-like outfit active in the Deep South was being described as the "Dixie mafia". Were they "organized"? Depends on what you'd call "organized". They were not "organized" in the same way you'd call the New York Families "organized". But when you're making the benjamins with racketeering activities like some of those small outfits were making (take for instance a look at Harlan Blackburn's "Cracker mob"), I'd reckon you're worthy of being described as "organized crime".


Not to be argumentative , however I do believe that the so called Cracker Mob was an actual mob group unlike the Dixie mafia . Based on what I've read Harlan Blackburn was the uncontested boss of the Cracker Mob , and he had at least one lieutenant ( Clyde Lee ) , which means that the Cracker mob was ( at the very least ) much closer to being an actual mob group than the Dixie mafia .

Of course you're right that the definition of organized boils down to semantics , yet I still think there's a big difference between groups of criminals who have an actual hierarchy and groups of criminals who just happen to work together .

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"Dixie mafia" was always a term for local criminal groups that conducted fairly organized mob-like activities in the Deep South (mainly Mississippi, Alabama, rural Georgia and Florida...). I'd say they're as close to "Anglo" as it gets in the USA. They're not big "gangs" as such; I'd say they veered closer to the UK "crime firms" in terms of structure. Smaller, independent mobs with a reasonable level of organization.
Are mobs like these still active in parts of the South? Most probably, yes.

The white prison gangs like Aryan Brotherhood for instance may have that "Irish" thing going on in their history, but I'd say in places like Cali most of them have an "Anglo" background.

If I have to go by a book I read, several London mobs have made travels to the USA (mainly Florida), but I don't really think they had any real businesses going on there. I mean, OC always has to operate from a certain community. The off-the-boat British community isn't really big enough in any part of the USA, and most British that do live in the US don't really have the background OC thrives off.


To my knowledge the so called Dixie mafia wasn't organized at all . It just happened to be a network of White Southern criminals who got the mafia label stuck to them , because the feds were desperate to put away a few of their members for a long time .

Of course the Dixie mafia did have members who were more influential than others ( such as Mike Gillich ) , but even he was far from being a mob boss to my understanding .


My point is that there, of course, was never a big organized criminal structure called the "Dixie mafia". Every small mob-like outfit active in the Deep South was being described as the "Dixie mafia". Were they "organized"? Depends on what you'd call "organized". They were not "organized" in the same way you'd call the New York Families "organized". But when you're making the benjamins with racketeering activities like some of those small outfits were making (take for instance a look at Harlan Blackburn's "Cracker mob"), I'd reckon you're worthy of being described as "organized crime".


Not to be argumentative , however I do believe that the so called Cracker Mob was an actual mob group unlike the Dixie mafia . Based on what I've read Harlan Blackburn was the uncontested boss of the Cracker Mob , and he had at least one lieutenant ( Clyde Lee ) , which means that the Cracker mob was ( at the very least ) much closer to being an actual mob group than the Dixie mafia .

Of course you're right that the definition of organized boils down to semantics , yet I still think there's a big difference between groups of criminals who have an actual hierarchy and groups of criminals who just happen to work together .


Like I said your view of the "Dixie mafia" is just based on Gillich' band of crooks. At one point every small criminal firm in the deep south was being described as "Dixie mafia", just because the name stuck like glue. For instance, you had Dewitt-Dawson's organization operating in Alabama as well.
Even if we're just keeping it to Gillich' gang, "loosely organized" they may be, they still had quite a lot of people (including officials) in their pockets. Sounds OC enough to my ears.

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Us Italians have mostly assimilated into the American mainstream.

In the past Italians grew up in poverty, with large families in tenements or projects.

The Central American community is producing the most violent criminals today. Just read Newsday. They are responsible for most of the shootings and stabbings.

But the birthrate in plummeting in Central America, and in a generation or two, their community won't have as many issues because of the lower birthrate.

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2A,

Not true on White prison gangs. They have plenty activity outside the prison. Aryan Brotherhood Offshoots will represent that Anglo mob groups. Read articles about the Texas AB and how their hierarchy extends into the free world and likewise for other Offshoots. Heck even here in Mississippi they just Rico the AB back in 2015.


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2A,

Not true on White prison gangs. They have plenty activity outside the prison. Aryan Brotherhood Offshoots will represent that Anglo mob groups. Read articles about the Texas AB and how their hierarchy extends into the free world and likewise for other Offshoots. Heck even here in Mississippi they just Rico the AB back in 2015.


I've read that the AB has a presence outside of prison , but I'm not aware of it being particularly significant . At least not compared to ( for example ) the Mexican Mafia's influence , which is supposed to have all Sureno gangs at their beck and call .

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