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Bonanno's Canadian crew breakaway 1968? #906714
02/14/17 03:29 PM
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Interesting, and very short, document on Mary Ferrell site:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html...=2&tab=page

Re: Bonanno's Canadian crew breakaway 1968? [Re: SonnyD] #906744
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I posted the Luigi Greco bit on this forum some time ago. Good little file.

Re: Bonanno's Canadian crew breakaway 1968? [Re: SonnyD] #906771
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Nice one. Interesting to see that John DiGilio was considered "one of Zicarelli's men" and was associating himself with Genovese guys since he later became a member of the Genovese family.

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Interesting to see Greco thinking about setting up us an independant family 20 years before it actually happened, which might explain why the family leadership greenlighted the Rizutto's takeover.

Also it talks about Mari being underboss and Zicarelli being considered as Consigliere, while actually, by the time this report was made, underboss Mari and consigliere Adamo had been dissapeared for trying to take Sciacca out and Natale Evola and Phil "Rusty" Rastelli had been appointed numbers 2 and 3 respectively.

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This was brought up on another forum some time ago. It's interesting. What we know is that the Cotronis were very loyal to Joe Bonanno. I could see how they were considering this a possibility when Bonanno's rival was named boss of the family. It never came to fruition however.


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Re: Bonanno's Canadian crew breakaway 1968? [Re: SonnyD] #906863
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If you ever read the Sam DeCalvacante wiretaps, it makes it seem as if the entire family was loyal to Bonanno. For a while, his entire administration was defying the Commission, if what he says is true. One old time member whom supposedly was a part of the administration for the time, an Angelo Caruso, was great friends with Sam, Sam requested to meet with Caruso and explain the Bonanno-Commission situation to him, and Caruso flat out tells Sam that he was ordered by Bonanno, not to talk to anyone from any other family. Sam took this as a personal slight. Sam thing with Joe Notaro for a time, another capo, the commission sent for him, and word was sent back to the Commission that the "adminstration is staying behind Joe Bonanno". Sam is talking to Joe Bayonne and telling him this, and Bayonne too, was saying he would remain loyal to his "father". During a convo with his underboss Frank Majuri, he says "..He said that Gasparino was the one who started the ball rolling. They're blaming him", this is in reference to the Bonanno admin as a whole, and them being upset with Di Gregorio for even starting conversations with the commission. Joe Bonanno was seriously going to have him killed and the family was going to do it, but the Commission hid Di Gregorio and Bonanno didn't know where to find him, thats the only reason why he remained breathing. And the Commission feared Bonanno, again according to Sam The Plumber, they felt he was getting too powerful, they were angry at Bonanno for sending his son down to California, with "40 men" in an attempt to takeover the LA Families rackets. The Commission put a halt to this too. But Bonanno continued to make new guys, they were upset that he was extending his power and influence by making guys in Arizona and Canada. It's a lot more too about the whole prelude to the so-called "Bananas War".

Re: Bonanno's Canadian crew breakaway 1968? [Re: SonnyD] #906979
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For sure sure Bonnano was underrated; He saw what happened when Luchesse and Gambino took the opening provided by Profacis heavy-handedness, he pretty much pushed the Gallos into warring against him. Or to put it a better way, he GAVE Carlo and Tommy the ammunition they needed to forment a rebellion from within.

(Interestingly, though, according to an old Time magazine article, Carlo was JUST AS GREEDY, with the same monthly dues thing Profaci was doing..)

So Bonnano forbids any of his capos from meeting with the Commision. So no chance of intrigue amongst his Capos. A smart move, and the right one, Chin was right, Capos shouldn't be meeting with bosses anyway.

Plus, the Mary Ferrel documents show plain as day that Bonnano didn't defy any Commision edicts, that was manipulation by Luchesse and Gambino.

It also shows how they manipulated Jerry Catena ( although I think he was a willing participant..) by telling him to ONLY discuss Commision business with other Commision members. So as to keep old foxes like Mike Miranda at bay, outside the decision making body of LCN as a whole. So you can clearly SEE the hippocracy there.

I've also always been of the opinion that those Sicilians were loyal to Joe Bonnano and Galante, not so much the " Bonnano Family". Like to the Sicilians, I think the Bonnano family meant the La Marese gangsters, not so much the American made guys. After that, they were loyal to money, and their principal money maker, since the sixties was and is narcotics. So ultimately, they are going to be loyal to whomever is the best facillitator of the narcotics trade, be it supply, import, distribution, laundering, transport, ect....

Basically, I think the Sicilians were loyal to the " Territory" the Bonnanos controlled, as they could move drugs in it, beyond that, there was no real need to even interact it seems, I could be wrong though...

(I don't think much has changed, I think the same dynamic is there today with the Calabrians, they just wanna move coke, NY is only a means of getting coke from point A to point B, they aren't going to war over a union or a sports book, or any other local rackets..)

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Re: Bonanno's Canadian crew breakaway 1968? [Re: SonnyD] #906980
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The Sicilians probably were like , " Well, Joe's under siege, Carmine is outta the picture, Garafolo and Bonaventre are in Sicily, who can we trust over there with our dope?"

This is why Catalano was sent over, I suspect...

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There was something in the Sixth Family, some sort of arrest or something that really clipped Grecos wings, and gave the Cotronis the upper hand in Montreal.

That combined with Bonnano being forced out, Galante and Ormento and all those guys who controlled all the distribution being locked up, AND the heroin trade from Sicily being disrupted by that car bomb meant for Salvatore Greco. AND all the Sicilian Mafiosi having to disperse and go into hiding, the Sicilian component was thoroughly in disarray, save for a few like Badalamenti, Buscetta, the Grecos.....WHO BECAME GAMBINO ALLIES DURING THIS TIME PERIOD -late sixties early to mid seventies.

The independent family idea most likely had to take a back seat until the drug routes were figured out....

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Re: Bonanno's Canadian crew breakaway 1968? [Re: SonnyD] #907068
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Yup, it wasnt just Colombos who were charging they're members. About 3 of the 5, maybe more were doing it. Another interesting thing is Bill Bonanno, Sam called him a "bedbug" which in those days meant he was nuts. DeCalvacante was scared to meet wit him at one point, because he showed up to a meet three cars deep, soldiers in front of him and soldiers behind him, Sam was by himself, he goes "whats this?" and Bill went "its nothing". Sam later reported this to his Joe Bayonne, who kept making excuses for Bill.


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