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Ancestry & Other DNA sites #903690
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I've been thinking about trying Ancestry DNA kit for awhile but it's rather a hefty price. I was wondering have any fellow BB members or their friends tried this out? Is it legit or should I look into a different site?


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BF,

Not sure about the actual science behind these tests, but I always think it's a good look for people to connect with their roots.

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GETS, my good friend was born in Sicily and raised in the Bronx and he took that test and it came back that he was Jewish. I just don't see how they can differentiate if you're Irish, English or European. Maybe it's me, but I am more worried as to wether the government is storing your DNA.

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Gets,

Could you try to upload the video again? It's not showing.


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Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
Gets,

Could you try to upload the video again? It's not showing.


here's the direct link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oCx4j69Ilc


"Omar" from the Wire discover his roots on his mother's side.

There's a site that did his and other celeb dna tests. Didn't post the name because I can't vouch for that or any of the dna sites.

How close/far is your family from the Delta area? Reason why I ask is, whenever they do documentaries about Jazz they always find instruments, words in dialect, etc from parts of Miss. that come DIRECTLY from specific people in West Africa.

I call them cultural markers.

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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
GETS, my good friend was born in Sicily and raised in the Bronx and he took that test and it came back that he was Jewish. I just don't see how they can differentiate if you're Irish, English or European. Maybe it's me, but I am more worried as to wether the government is storing your DNA.


Bean,

Interesting point about the govt. Never thought about that.

To me Sicily is sort of special case because of the history that it's had....I think it's very culturally rich with all those influences and I'm sure the bloodline(s) reflect that.

Hey, wait a minute...Pizza is a Bronx Italian who has love for Jewish culture& people, is your good friend ,Pizzaboy?


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BF,

posting the direct link to this video in case you are having browser problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NlW2ptPXr0

PBS did a series of documentaries about Blues music and Martin Scorsese directed a great one called "Feel Like Going Home" I posted an extended trailer.

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Gets, as your post seems to indicate, you recognize that race and ethnicity are functions of DNA; place of birth or upbringing are irrelevant. Also, your reference to Sicily is a good illustration since it has experienced its share of invasions by the French and Muslims (just to cite a couple) and the Muslims could have originated in Egypt, Arabia, Persia, or what was generally described as Mesopotamia and subsumed any number of ethnicities.

Also, Jewish is not a race or ethnicity. Some who adhere culturally or religiously to Judaism can trace their ancestral origins to the Hebrews or Aramaics, but it's a long shot.

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paid 100.00 for my dna kit... conclusion was I'm german well 50%- my grandparents on my fathers side were born in Germany, my mothers side scotch, irish, English, welsh, for 100.00 I'm like well tell me something I don't know.... if you are European your name can tell you as much as your dna test.



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gets.... what % of black people have now or had slave names? dna testing for those who had their names taken away, should be the way to go, to find their roots. worse thing the slaveholders ever did was taking away the slaves real names,



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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
gets.... what % of black people have now or had slave names? dna testing for those who had their names taken away, should be the way to go, to find their roots. worse thing the slaveholders ever did was taking away the slaves real names,


Binnie,

I'd say 100% of us who are descended from enslaved Africans do not have last names that reflect our heritage. Some people legally change their last names because of that. There are people who randomly adopted names of ethnic African or Arabic origin, and now with this dna testing people can attach themselves to something a bit closer to who they are.

If you meet Black person without a European last name, usually it's a continental African.

I'm not 100% convinced about these tests, but I think it's a good look to try to find out.

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Originally Posted By: olivant
Gets, as your post seems to indicate, you recognize that race and ethnicity are functions of DNA; place of birth or upbringing are irrelevant. Also, your reference to Sicily is a good illustration since it has experienced its share of invasions by the French and Muslims (just to cite a couple) and the Muslims could have originated in Egypt, Arabia, Persia, or what was generally described as Mesopotamia and subsumed any number of ethnicities.

Also, Jewish is not a race or ethnicity. Some who adhere culturally or religiously to Judaism can trace their ancestral origins to the Hebrews or Aramaics, but it's a long shot.


Thanks,Oli.

I thought that Sephardi Jews are a distinct ethnic group.

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Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
GETS, my good friend was born in Sicily and raised in the Bronx and he took that test and it came back that he was Jewish. I just don't see how they can differentiate if you're Irish, English or European. Maybe it's me, but I am more worried as to wether the government is storing your DNA.


Bean,

Interesting point about the govt. Never thought about that.

To me Sicily is sort of special case because of the history that it's had....I think it's very culturally rich with all those influences and I'm sure the bloodline(s) reflect that.

Hey, wait a minute...Pizza is a Bronx Italian who has love for Jewish culture& people, is your good friend ,Pizzaboy?




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Originally Posted By: getthesenets



I thought that Sephardi Jews are a distinct ethnic group.


They are considered so, but only within Judaism's community. Their ethnicity is Spanish.

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Anyone else think that a few Italian-Americans could pass for black?

I used to watch wrestling as a kid and always thought Perry Saturn and Tazz were black.

And I thought Sephardi Jews were ones who came from African or Mediterranean countries.


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This Ancestry DNA thing seems to be getting popular.

I sent mines in a few weeks back. Still waiting for my results.
They had a 30% off discount before the holidays. So I bought the kit.

I was on YouTube watching people with Mexican ancestry read their results. Always found it interesting to see what percentages we get European vs Native.
Only thing that sucks is ancestry testing isn't able to tell you exactly where your Native American ancestors are from. Natives in Canada, US, Mexico, and all South America all show as "Native American" but still pretty interesting.

I'm expecting a pretty high percentage of Iberian peninsula/ Spanish ancestry in my results, with some native DNA because the brown skin came from somewhere.

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And I thought Sephardi Jews were ones who came from African or Mediterranean countries.


They're origins are Iberian.


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Originally Posted By: getthesenets
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gets.... what % of black people have now or had slave names? dna testing for those who had their names taken away, should be the way to go, to find their roots. worse thing the slaveholders ever did was taking away the slaves real names,


Binnie,

I'd say 100% of us who are descended from enslaved Africans do not have last names that reflect our heritage. Some people legally change their last names because of that. There are people who randomly adopted names of ethnic African or Arabic origin, and now with this dna testing people can attach themselves to something a bit closer to who they are.

If you meet Black person without a European last name, usually it's a continental African.

I'm not 100% convinced about these tests, but I think it's a good look to try to find out.


Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it true that the hertiage of most American blacks isn't %100 African?

Ditto the same is probably true for alot of white people as well.

As most black people I know say they often have European ancestors i.e. they have British hertiage somewhere. Or in one of my friend's case a great grandfather or other releative who immigrated to this country from say Ireland or Italy in the early 1900's etc.

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23andMe gives the most detailed ancestral testing. Ancestry.com is more popular, but 23andMe is more accurate. There's also a site where you can upload your results to connect and compare with others.

Some things to consider: a Y DNA test will give your father's line (your father, his father, his father, etc) and M DNA for your mother's. The general test that they use covers all lines, but is only accurate for about 5 generations. That can be useful but not as valuable. So for genealogical purposes I would get the Y DNA test.

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Mr. Williams,

I'm not an expert or anything, but I think most Blacks from English/Dutch former slave colonies have mostly African blood. Negligible amounts of Euro or Indigenous blood here or there , but 95% or higher from the various African tribes from West Africa.

Blacks from Spanish/Brazilian colonies will tend to have more "mixed" blood because race mixing was the rule rather than the exception in those places.Applies to some of the French former colonies also(which includes Louisiana)
Haiti is the exception, there is a minority of mixed race people but majority of island is mostly African.

Now, I've joked on here with some buddies, and ANY Black person living in America enjoys good laughs from the Black people who will.....without being asked....tell you about this or that White or Native American branch of family tree. Like it's a badge of honor. smile Almost without exception, these are the same people who will RUN from any connection with Africa. Will brag about a famous plantation owner who violated their great grandmother, but punch you in the face if you mention the word Africa.

But seriously, most of the race mixing that's occurred in this country has happened over the past 50 years..As it was against the law to be an inter-racial married couple in parts of America until then. There are trace amounts of White and Native blood overall, you can see it in some of the physical features of Black folks here, but mostly African blood.

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absolutely gets, slaves were imported from Africa and sent to plantations in the south, they were pure blood African.



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Gets,

Delta is Northwest region of the state, all the counties between the Mississippi & Yazoo River. My kinfolks from the opposite side of the Delta in the Northeast. My grandfathers are from Alabama though.


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BF,

update this post if you go ahead with the test.



Mr Williams,

Don't mind me and my partial rant. Just a pet peeve of mine.
A few years ago, one of the Native American tribes closed ranks and kicked out a lot of Blacks from their rolls and I got a big kick out of the story. smile Think it was the Cherokee.

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Actually I'm thinking about it. My cousin did it last year thru Ancestry. I think there are 2 packages you can buy. She sent me what was a pie chart with percentages of backgrounds. She was 77% Italian and small percentages of Black, small percentage European (?) and another 2 or 3% undetermined. It is interesting. Also, if they discover any relative of yours with the same dna they'll notify you.

I know my family history for the most part thru Great-Great grandparents on both sides. Always say I'm full Italian (all grandparents born there as well as my father). However, there's likely some other heritage down the line.

My intention was to get a DNA kit sometime this year. I still may, but seems like other expenses always comes up

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^ I like the one with Snoop Dogg vs Charles Barkley to see who was more African. Lol. Supposedly Snoop turned out to be like 23% native American and was less African than Barkley.

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Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Anyone else think that a few Italian-Americans could pass for black?

I used to watch wrestling as a kid and always thought Perry Saturn and Tazz were black.

And I thought Sephardi Jews were ones who came from African or Mediterranean countries.


There are a lot of dark sciclians. I had an accintance his nick name was blackie because of his dark skin. He was arrested for killing a cop coming out 0of a hotel because the cop bumped into him. His girl friend in my Grammer school like to walk her around with no panties. I fucked her right in St.Anns stairwells once. I even still remember her name smile I just can't think of her how she would look now about 76 if she was still alive or I would throw up.


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I don't know why people are thinking about doing that shit. I already live in the past far too much better to stay in the now.

I know you don't call a nationality a Jew. But we called my father a Jew. I wish I could forget about him. The father of a friend of mine who was an Italian said Daddio was the only Jew he liked. That only because he didn't know him liked a knew him.

I do know my father's father's first name was Adolf. That tells you a lot about Daddio.


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Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
^ I like the one with Snoop Dogg vs Charles Barkley to see who was more African. Lol. Supposedly Snoop turned out to be like 23% native American and was less African than Barkley.


For a black American, to be that much native American is normal.


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Actually I don't think it's that normal. Generally the estimates is Blacks have 5-8% or so Native I think.


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