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Re: Did Gotti have permission or did he not?
[Re: ItalianIrishMix]
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11/21/16 01:13 AM
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So basically there was just a lot of lying all around.
Gotti himself told Scarfo and Leonetti, "Just want you to know Nick that, I went about this the right way!" Incinuating, he asked the commission.
Scarfo's reply, "I know you did John!"
Just REALLY amazes me that he wasn't whacked for blatant rule breaking....I know Chin and Casso tried but there should have been an all out assault. All the bosses should have got involved only to at least show the underlings that YOU BETTER not try this same
move or you will die..... NO ONE is unwhackable! I don't believe Gotti was a hard person to kill.
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Re: Did Gotti have permission or did he not?
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11/21/16 01:45 AM
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So basically there was just a lot of lying all around.
Gotti himself told Scarfo and Leonetti, "Just want you to know Nick that, I went about this the right way!" Incinuating, he asked the commission.
Scarfo's reply, "I know you did John!"
Just REALLY amazes me that he wasn't whacked for blatant rule breaking....I know Chin and Casso tried but there should have been an all out assault. All the bosses should have got involved only to at least show the underlings that YOU BETTER not try this same
move or you will die..... NO ONE is unwhackable! I don't believe Gotti was a hard person to kill. I agree, chin should have led the charge, gotti brought too much heat.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: Did Gotti have permission or did he not?
[Re: ItalianIrishMix]
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11/21/16 05:06 AM
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Of course they didn't have a commission approval. Otherwise the Genovese/Lucchese - Gambino tension after the fact wouldn't have existed.
Gravano said they put out feelers with Colombos and Bonnanos, I think he even said Casso kind of said they wouldn't mind. They didn't even try with Genovese because Chin and Castellano were close. So they tried to get a sense of what will happen if they go ahead with it, but no commission approval.
Edit: I checked Underboss and this is what Gravano says about it.
Ruggiero met with Gerry Lang and Donnie Shacks from the Colombos. They were ok with it. Gotti said he had Massino in his pocket, because Bonannos at the time didn't have a seat in the commission, and removing Paul would increase their chances to get their seat back. Frank DeCicco talked to Casso who said he didn't give a fuck what happens to Paul. Genovese they didn't even approach.
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Re: Did Gotti have permission or did he not?
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11/21/16 06:11 AM
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In 1963, Joseph Bonanno, the head of the Bonanno crime family, made plans to assassinate several rivals on the Mafia Commission—bosses Tommy Lucchese, Carlo Gambino, and Stefano Magaddino. Bonanno sought Magliocco's support, and Magliocco readily agreed. Not only was he chafing at being denied a seat on the Commission, but Bonanno and Profaci had been close allies for over 30 years prior to Profaci's death. Bonanno's audacious goal was to take over the National Crime Syndicate and make Magliocco his right hand man.[8]
Magliocco was assigned the task of killing Lucchese and Gambino, and gave the contract to one of his top hit men, Joe Colombo. However, the opportunistic Colombo revealed the plot to its targets. The other bosses quickly realized that Magliocco could not have planned this himself. Remembering how close Bonanno was with Magliocco (and before him, Profaci), as well as their close ties through marriages, the other bosses concluded Bonanno was the real mastermind. For sure Gotti knowed this story so speaker with the capos and understand that he must do it because ask the commission will be sure death.
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Re: Did Gotti have permission or did he not?
[Re: ItalianIrishMix]
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11/21/16 10:23 AM
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So basically there was just a lot of lying all around.
Gotti himself told Scarfo and Leonetti, "Just want you to know Nick that, I went about this the right way!" Incinuating, he asked the commission.
Scarfo's reply, "I know you did John!"
Just REALLY amazes me that he wasn't whacked for blatant rule breaking....I know Chin and Casso tried but there should have been an all out assault. All the bosses should have got involved only to at least show the underlings that YOU BETTER not try this same
move or you will die..... NO ONE is unwhackable! I don't believe Gotti was a hard person to kill. I doubt it was enough to have 2 or 3 bosses on his side to legitimate his move against Paul. Gotti had to also probably cook up an official reason, a rule Paul supposedly broke, to make his coup look legal. Gravano mentioned some sins Paul supposedly committed against the Gambinos, one of which was allowing another family to kill one of his captains. That might have been one of the complaints brought before some of the commission members/reps. Everyone now knows why Gotti had to do away with Paul, but that core reason wouldn't be enough to substantiate a complaint about Paul to another boss.
"For us, rubbin'out a Mustache was just like makin' way for a new building, like we was in the construction business."
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Re: Did Gotti have permission or did he not?
[Re: ItalianIrishMix]
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11/23/16 07:05 AM
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Casso was crazy, going at the gambinos like a mad dog. He got a few of tham too,De Cicco, Borriello, LINO... etc. Gotti was full of it, who he got as revenge for those guys? None of the lucchese guys. Gotti befed himself as a tough guy, other than wiretaps I fail to notice.
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