This just in!!!!

Empire Magazine "Did Fredo know he was going to be killed by Neri?"

Coppola "Yes he did. Myself and Mario (Puzo) clearly conveyed this with the line 'Let's Go Al'. The resignation in his voice says it all."

Empire Magazine " We weren't so sure."

Coppola " You must be stupid then"

What makes me think that Fredo had knowledge of how the deaths of Tessio and Carlo were arranged is the fact that those 2 murders happened BEFORE Fredo ever betrayed the family. He was still part of the family at that point. He knew Michael's style. Just because he was in Vegas doesn't mean he had no idea what was going on in his family, or about Michael's tendency to snuff people by changing plans at the last minute.

Look what happened to Vito when Paulie called in sick, and Fredo had to drive instead. Fredo knew that sudden changes in travel plans were a bad omen.

Has FFC never ever answered all these questions then, ever?

Gosh, do you really think it would've been conveyed to him all the way out there in Vegas that ..."Here's how we got Tessio and here's how we got Carlo..."???

Again, somebody giving Fredo credit for far more intelligence than he had.

And...I don't really think he DID know Michael's style. If he did, he may not have truly trusted he was safe with Michael in the first place, even AFTER that embrace at their mother's wake. He might've thought (with time to mull over it of course and not at that very moment... ), "Gosh, this was nice to reconcile with my brother...but I know Mikey it's not like him to let me get away with this just to be on the safe side I better make myself scarce."

And by the way...although the BIG betrayal with Hyman Roth was still years away, by taking sides against the family with Moe Green, Fredo had already shown evidence that he was not to be trusted with the more important aspects of the business. And after that, he never was.


Unbelievable...to say this would be similar to saying that everytime somebody in the movie saw an nearby, they should've realize they were about to be whacked.

What is 'bad omen' to the audience isn't necessarily a bad omen to the characters in the film.

Oh, and say...have I mentioned yet that FREDO DIDN'T KNOW ?????

Loving every minute...
AppleOnYa

****FLASH THIS JUST IN ******

FREDO DID KNOW! FFC says that Fredo did know that he was going to get wacked! The long kicked around thread has finally come to a close.

FFC says that Fredo did know that we was going to be wacked.....


...He looked ahead in the script! and cried to FFC that he didn't want to go out that way. "Anyway but that", he was quoted as saying. "How about a gun battle instead or I take a bullet saving Mikeys life to make up for my misdeeds".

Francis just shook his head and said- "NO"

Now you have it my friends. Another riddle solved!

Ok... i think it's time for you to relax, take a deep breath, and admit that all of this stuff you're saying is simply your opinion, and your interpretation of the scene. You don't know for sure, and neither do I. Nobody does. Stop taking this argument so personally, and give it a rest with the snide comments. mmmmkay?

OH No...Another set of feathers ruffled!

And you're loving all of it, aren't you fathersson.. ???

Note to Mickey....not sure what makes you think I'm taking the argument 'personally'.

Or even what makes you think it's an 'argument'!
At the very most, I would call it a debate.

What I'm doing is calmly (but with a smidgen of glee) continueing the 'discussion' by countering your points with points of my own...

...which by the way all lead to the conclusion, which is not open to interpretation...that Fredo didn't know...

Which, by the way I know for sure.

Now Mickey, I think it's time for YOU to relax & take a deep breath, and unless you can come up with more 'opinions' to contribute with, sit back and wait until 6pm Eastern time at which point I am absent for the next couple of days !!

Best,
Apple

LoL... thanks. Best laugh I've had all day. I'd point out what's so funny about it, but who has that much time?

I'm right, you're wrong. Fredo knew. End of story.

Good thing for you that Apple doesn't have a computer at home, or this would never end.


But children, you know you should all play nice together. Yes, Mrs. Clever!


Now if we could only make money off of this somehow.

Oh, but Mickey...you just admitted in a recent post that you didn't know 'for sure'. So now, it's obvious you're just having a problem accepting the facts. I trust when you've watched the movie a few more times you'll come around and figure it out.

But anyway, fathersson has a point. I'll make a deal with everyone and promise to not rehash this debate once I've returned on Monday, even if it continues over the weekend. I don't need to, since I for one am secure in the knowledge that...

...Fredo didn't know.

Apple
(ps - but I cannot guarantee what will go down b'tween now and 6:00 )

(holding fingers in ears) and singing....

LA LA LA LA LA I CAN"T HEAR YOU! LA LA LA LA LA LA

Fatherson, I am still trying to figure out your purpose here,are you even contributing? On another side note, Roach028, the starter of this thread has not been back.I think we scarred him away

Apple, do you mind(when you get back)telling me how my theories are getting rediculuos? The only one I can think of as being rediculous was the one I admitted was rediculous.(like my repeated use of the word rediculous? Sort of like your repeated use of the word Gosh )By the way, FREDO DID KNOW! He might not have exactally known Mike's style, but he knew the ways of the mafia.I dont care how stupid you are, you're around the mob all your life, youre going to pick up on certian things, like the fact that the mob doesnt EVER forgive family trators.
FREDO DID KNOW!

Oh My, The thread police have arrived!

I know my rights!

You need to offer an attorney if I so desire.

Sorry, If you don't understand my posts, but the people who need to do....so

Charge me or let me go!

^^^^^^^^^^^
You see, no relevence to the topic At least say FREDO DID KNOW!!!!
You can copy and paste it if you want.
FREDO DID KNOW!

Ok ok... Come on now... I didn't come here to fight. You have your theories, and I have mine. You'll never convince me that Fredo didn't know, and I'll never convince you that he did. Let's drop it. It's not obvious that I'm having trouble accepting facts... There hasn't been one fact stated in this entire post so far regarding whether or not Fredo knew. Just peoples opinions and interpretations, as I stated earlier. And besides, I was just trying to annoy you. LoL, sorry about that.

Fredo knew

I have a bigger question for all you people who are so sure of their answers.....

What real difference does it make if he knew or not?

Ive have spent quite a while reading this lengthy and argumentative thread, and being a relatively new member (although i used to post on the old messge board waaaaayyy back in the day)and may be inviting myself a lot of mickey taking but here go's

I, too believe that Fredo had an idea, he was a corleone, not the brightest apple in the tree, but then nor was Sonny for blurting out what he was thinking in pt 1 or Connies plain refusal that Carlo was behind Sonnys killing, at the end of the day Fredo was a human being taken in by a very devious man, and in the end of the film that way he says 'ok al' i just feel that he knew death was coming, one way or another. Just a thought but perhaps Fredo knew that he was going to die and didnt care i.e. he had nothing to live for and wanted to die? just a thought, later on im going to start a thread on my percieved Innocence of Fredo and Pentangeli.

BTW - No amount of ridicule or piss-taking will deflect my views! It all about opinions at the end of the day, nobody knows the true answers

Speak for yourself. This particular subject is NOT about opinions and at the end of the day yours truly and a few wise otherse do know the true answer, which is that Fredo didn't know.

But as promised before the weekend, I'll now stay out of the thread since there's nothing more to say to those who foolishly continue to dig for evidence to the contrary.

Caio...

Apple

A stubborn soul.

I too know the true answers, i bumped into francis the other day and he told me, so there!