The murder/rape of the young lady jogging in Howard Beach a few days ago had me thinking, what if the Gotti's still had influence in the area, how long would it take for the responsible person who committed this heinous act to be found in the street having been served with street justice? Maybe the murder never would have happened to begin with. We always read the mob controlled areas are the safest and if anything did happen it was handled long before the cops got it resolved. Anyway, Just thinking out loud.

I am just finding out about this story now. Fucking awful. Queens is turning into an absolute shithole.

As far as the Howard Beach citizenry seeking and finding retribution against the killer, not likely.

But years ago this crime probably wouldn't have happened. Howard Beach was surrounded adjoining Italian neighborhoods which are all gone (except for a few blocks in Ozone Park and a few blocks in Woodhaven). Walking around those neighborhoods back in the day everyone was mindful of outsiders, and had a way of letting you know you weren't from around the area. I can't see a predator seeking out a victim on Linden Blvd/Cross Bay in 1985. But these days, different story.

Didn't Gotti have his neighbor killed for accidentally killing his son in a traffic accident? I suppose in many ways a mob neighborhood is safe, but the phrase live by the sword die by the sword still applies.

This is so fucked up. I read in Daily News that she was black and blue when they found her and she was missing teeth. Too fucked up. Some fucking psychos in this world. Really feel for her father, must be beyond devastating. Was this even a trail for runners? I'm surprised nobody heard any screams or anything. Anyone on here familiar with the area?

Yes..in the area she was jogging it is barren. The suspect I believe hit her in the head rendering her unconscious..maybe she started to come too and the suspect hit her..making little noise and don't forget people have their Ac's on..Maybe someone did see something? Police don't release too much during a investigation.

Didn't nutty old bats from the neighborhood used to warn Gotti and the rest of his cronies when the feds were spotted near the Ravenite?

I mean how deluded can you get?

Sounds like a serial killer type of crime. That type of thing happened in the mafia heyday so I would say it has no impact.

Why are they diluted..? He protected the neighborhood .

Such a sad story, beautiful girl. Sounds like a serial killer type of crime. That type of thing happened in the mafia heyday so I would say it has no impact.

Looking on Howard Beach's website it says the neighborhood is still 50% Italian. The article said her father goes on runs with her every day and this time was the one day he decided not to go with her. Poor guy will regret that for the rest of his life. So sad and senseless.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailyne...ticle-1.2738864

I keep reading poor girl on this thread. Why do you feel so sorry for girls like her? Don't tell me that you're all that sheltered!! This girl should have listened to her father. He knew that she would not be safe on the trail without him; he saw how men looked at her. You can't go running ALONE on a deserted trail in this day and age. The girls of today are in La La Land. I read that she was texting a friend and then stopped. You can't text, you can't look at ur phone, how ridiculous. As a female, you need your eyes and ears open to be completely alert of your surroundings. You need pepper spray, a knife, a life alert around your friggin neck. This female was a complete idiot!!! This would not have happened when Gotti was around, not because of him but because of the mentality of the people back in those days. The females knew better than to DISOBEY their fathers' warnings and were much more street smart than the females of today. I feel sorry for her father!! Poor man, looks like he did everything right but just couldn't knock any sense into his clueless daughter!! And I just have a feeling the guy who killed her was probably someone she knew casually. At first I thought it may have been her ex boyfriend but now I'm not so sure. Dumb girl got herself killed.

I keep reading poor girl on this thread. Why do you feel so sorry for girls like her? Don't tell me that you're all that sheltered!! This girl should have listened to her father. He knew that she would not be safe on the trail without him; he saw how men looked at her. You can't go running ALONE on a deserted trail in this day and age. The girls of today are in La La Land. I read that she was texting a friend and then stopped. You can't text, you can't look at ur phone, how ridiculous. As a female, you need your eyes and ears open to be completely alert of your surroundings. You need pepper spray, a knife, a life alert around your friggin neck. This female was a complete idiot!!! This would not have happened when Gotti was around, not because of him but because of the mentality of the people back in those days. The females knew better than to DISOBEY their fathers' warnings and were much more street smart than the females of today. I feel sorry for her father!! Poor man, looks like he did everything right but just couldn't knock any sense into his clueless daughter!! And I just have a feeling the guy who killed her was probably someone she knew casually. At first I thought it may have been her ex boyfriend but now I'm not so sure. Dumb girl got herself killed.

Can't stand that instigator Al Sharpton, what a scumbag of a man..

What the hell is wrong with you? Although I agree it's not the smartest thing to do, how could you blame the girl for simply going on a run? And I'm sick of people saying "back then this" or "back then that." Ever hear of Ted Bundy? Or Dahmer? Or gacy? Horrible shit like this has always happened. Nothings changed.