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Uzi's Ruminations 3/14 "Elizabeth Smart - VERY Fishy"
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Don't be surprised if it comes to light that the Smart family was compliant...no, a partcipant....in young Elizabeth's dissapearance.
I say this because the American public underestimates the depth of some citizens' depravity. We do not have the coping skills to confront great intensity, on moral, psychological, economic, philosophical, etc., grounds. In turn, we do not want to face the difficult questions, the paradoxes, the inconsistencies.
For instance, you will hear Elizabeth Smart's family describe her as a "strong" girl. In the same breath, they dismiss the proposition that there was a way for her to escape Mitchell's grasp.
Bullshit. If she was so strong, she could have played Mitchell's game to her own advantage, seizing the opportune time to break away and seek shelter among a group of people, crying bloody murder. There is no doubt that if she made a scene, the police would be involved, and she could then reveal herself and return to "safety."
So it stands to reason that she was already "safe," or she is not as strong as some suppose.
We're not talking about a seven-year-old here. Elizabeth Smart was 14 when "abducted." I don't know about the rest of you, but I was playing some very adult games when I was 14. I knew how the world worked. And I would be GODDAMNED to let some hairy fuck deprive me of my freedom. ESPECIALLY if I was in public, rather than chained to a rafter in someone's attic.
The whole thing is too fishy for me. I bet Elizabeth Smart's father sold her, or made some other sordid deal.
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Re: Uzi's Ruminations 3/14 "Elizabeth Smart - VERY Fishy"
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Although I don't "think" the parents had anything to do with the kidnapping, I totally agree that this whole thing sounds very "fishy". The mother hires a homeless person off the street, dressed in a robe like Jesus, and who happens to be, of all things a "carpenter", to do work at her house  Now, wouldn't that alone put up the "red flags"? What kind of idiot does this. They say she is kind hearted and felt sorry for these people. But come on!!!! Also, the fact the Elizabeth was so close to home. I agree at 15, this girl is not a "little" kid. Unless of course she was drugged or something??? I don't know, but I do think more is going to come out of this story as time goes on. That being said however, I felt so happy for the family when I heard she was alive (that too is unusual). After all the time that passed, I was certain they would find her body somewhere. I am glad she is ok. TIS
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Re: Uzi's Ruminations 3/14 "Elizabeth Smart - VERY Fishy"
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03/14/03 03:09 PM
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coming up next: reality t.v takes a new twist as a real life family fakes the kidnapping of their 14 year daughter for 15 minutes of fame!
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... just kidding... that was really lame of me...
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Re: Uzi's Ruminations 3/14 "Elizabeth Smart - VERY Fishy"
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03/14/03 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by Nyah:
coming up next: reality t.v takes a new twist as a real life family fakes the kidnapping of their 14 year daughter for 15 minutes of fame!
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... just kidding... that was really lame of me... No, its very realistic of you. Parents like this ought to be crusified. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/rough/crucified.gif)
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Re: Uzi's Ruminations 3/14 "Elizabeth Smart - VERY Fishy"
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03/14/03 04:05 PM
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WASHINGTON (March 14) - The family of Elizabeth Smart urged Congress Thursday to quickly pass legislation to create a national alert system to save kidnapped children -- but House Republican leaders refused to strip provisions that could slow its enactment.
''Children do not have the luxury of waiting,'' said Ed Smart, father of Elizabeth, the 15-year-old recovered in Salt Lake City Wednesday, nine months after her abduction.
''Each day costs a life. If it was your child, I'm sure you would not be happy to see this legislation held up by one man,'' he said in a statement read at a Capitol Hill news conference.
Smart accused House Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner, a Wisconsin Republican, of ''exhibiting reckless disregard for not only his constituents but the children throughout this country'' by piling extraneous law enforcement provisions on the legislation.
The Smart family prefers a cleaner, simpler alternative that has passed the Senate twice and has considerable bipartisan support in the House.
But House leaders, while quickly moving to schedule a vote on the ''AMBER Alert'' next week, stuck to their plans.
Sensenbrenner rejected the description of the bill's provisions as ''extraneous.'' He called it a comprehensive measure that would accomplish the goal of protecting children.
''This legislation would not only get the word out after a kidnapping, but takes strong steps to prevent them from occurring in the first place,'' Sensenbrenner said. ''The bill strengthens penalties against kidnapping and aids law enforcement agencies to effectively prevent, investigate, and prosecute crimes against children.''
The Senate bill would create an AMBER Alert system to swiftly link law enforcement across state lines and enlist local media to get the word out in the first critical hours after the abduction of a child.
The House bill would do the same, but with provisions about expansion of the death penalty, mandatory sentencing, sexual offenders and wiretap authority. It died in the Senate.
''By delaying the AMBER bill for over six months, Chairman Sensenbrenner and the House Republican leadership have acted as if the AMBER alert is just another issue up for negotiation,'' said Rep. Martin Frost, a Texas Democrat who wants the House to take up the Senate measure.
AMBER stands for America's Missing: Broadcast Emergency Response. It is also named after Amber Hagerman, a 9-year-old Texas girl kidnapped and murdered in 1996.
The Senate sponsors also urged the House to act on the cleaner bill.
''We want to have it passed right away,'' said Sen. Kay Hutchison, a Texas Republican and lead backer of the bill.
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Re: Uzi's Ruminations 3/14 "Elizabeth Smart - VERY Fishy"
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I don't know. I have a 13 year old and she's somewhat naive. Also, I have an 8 year old. If she witnessed a man with a knife who threatened to kill if she told, I can see her being afraid to move for hours. Also, God knows what Elizabeth experienced over the past 9 months. If she was sexually abused (especially if she was a virgin), I can see her being terrified enough not to run away. I don't think anyone knows what they would do given the circumstances. All the time, you hear people wonder why an abused wife doesn't just "leave" her husband, but what many don't realize is that the psychological abuse that they endure, in addition to the physical beatings, leaves them incapable of doing so. That girl lived for almost a year when the world considered her dead and buried somewhere. I say that she acted very intelligently if she managed to defy the odds and stay alive.
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Re: Uzi's Ruminations 3/14 "Elizabeth Smart - VERY Fishy"
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Perhaps Elizabeth's religious indoctrination taught her to bow to "authority"? Her father, after all, says prayer brought back his daughter. Hence, shouldn't he be lobbying for a "Prayer Alert System"? I don't want to disparage religion, but only to critcize parents that indoctrinate their children to put blind faith in adults, particularly adults that represent some religious position. Note the Priest scandals, and the decades of silence.
Did this nut convince the girl that he was some messiah? A 14 year old girl that lives in a million dollar home is probably very different from a 14 year old girl from the hood. What kind of street smarts could Elizabeth have learned from her parents, who allow street bums into their house? Near their kids! Did you heard about the case last year when a little 7 year old black girl in Philly broke through a basement window to escape kidnappers?! Nevertheless, everyone reacts differently to circumstances. The direction of this thread seems to be blame the victim. What if Uz had been abused as a kid? I wouldn't blame him for remaining silent.
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Re: Uzi's Ruminations 3/14 "Elizabeth Smart - VERY Fishy"
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03/15/03 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Sicilian Babe:
I don't know. I have a 13 year old and she's somewhat naive. Also, I have an 8 year old. If she witnessed a man with a knife who threatened to kill if she told, I can see her being afraid to move for hours. Also, God knows what Elizabeth experienced over the past 9 months. If she was sexually abused (especially if she was a virgin), I can see her being terrified enough not to run away. I don't think anyone knows what they would do given the circumstances. All the time, you hear people wonder why an abused wife doesn't just "leave" her husband, but what many don't realize is that the psychological abuse that they endure, in addition to the physical beatings, leaves them incapable of doing so. That girl lived for almost a year when the world considered her dead and buried somewhere. I say that she acted very intelligently if she managed to defy the odds and stay alive. Maybe I'm gullible, but I agree 100%, Sicilian Babe. I think it went down just like we're hearing it happened. The media, too (talk about untrustworthy!), seems to be in awe that Elizabeth didn't "just run away." As the saying goes, "He who forgets the past is doomed to repeat it." I'm referring to Jim Jones' influence over 900 people back in the '70s in the jungles of Guayana. He was able to talk over 900 people into drinking cyanide-laced Koolaid...and most of these were adults! This is to say nothing of the Manson Family or countless other examples of effective brainwashing. I took a class on such cults, and I can tell you that they're extremely effecient at what they do. They isolate, indoctrinate, and subjugate through any and every means necessary. Throw in a little left-field religion, nine months, and the sponge-like mind of a 14 year-old, anything is possible.
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