“I shook up the world!” - How Muhammad Ali took the heavyweight boxing championship belt from the Mafia http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/bl...vyweight-boxing

Great Article!

I dont think so yeah carbo and Palermo was in jail but the mob had their men on it and the match was strange with Liston that was a beast that was so easly defeated by Alì. No way Mohamed Alì was a great man but the mob said to Liston to lose for collect the bets money.

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Very interesting article, learned a lot of new things..

RIP Muhammad Ali

Ali was as racist as they come...He was no hero !!!

Ding ding ding

He was so racist it's a disgrace how much he is praised..

And besides that he lost 5 times and he got beat by Doug Jones I think was his name at MSG but since boxing is fixed he got the decision.

So because he is Muslim and God is the greatest he even said he's only the greatest boxer of all time...

No your not you lost 5 times and people will say he fought after his prime but he had 2 losses before he beat Fraizer so don't ever go there.

He was an arrogant racist draft dodging boxer who was really good.

(My favorite athlete is Kobe, actor Denzel, music I like rap, and have black friends so I am not racist he was)

Ali was linked to the Black Mafia in Philly. In particular Major Coxson, who was a very close friend of Ali.

Mayweather never lost

I was at a party once and Joe Frazier was a guest. At the end of the party almost everybody had left except a few people and a three sheets to the wind Joe Frazier.

I'm a boxing fanatic and as a kid I worshiped "Smokin Joe".

I went over and introduced myself and told him what a hero he was to me and that I was the only person in the room in 1975 rooting for him instead of Ali.

So we talked a little about Ali and "Thrilla in Manilla". He told me that he was really hurt at all the mean things that Ali had said about him in the press. But get this......He was proud and bragging about what he had done to Ali in that fight. Remember now he was a little juiced, but he went on and on .... He said that everybody thinks Ali is a nice guy, but hes not, he also said and this I'll never forget " you see Ali now, he can't talk, eat or clean his own backside. I did that shit to him, I made him like that" He was truly proud of the fact that after all these years he could still go out and have a good time and chase women, and that Ali was a near vegetable.

RIP Smokin'Joe. One of the greats.

Sal

true salvi. smoking joe got his revenge, ali belittled him time, and time again, never gave him the credit he deserved when joe beat him, in their first fight.

ali hated white people called them "blue eyed devils" and,

would not fight for his country, but he took the money he made in his country.

a true champion he was not. just my 2 cts

I agree!!

the fbi had wiretaps of gamblers talking about clay-liston 1 in Miami

also, many boxing people feel liston threw that fight, refusing to come out of his corner, giving the fight to clay.

as far as the second fight ali-liston 2 in maine, what a farce!!! liston took a dive no question.

BC,

I respect your opinion but if you look at the LEGAL segregation and restrictions that Black people faced in their OWN country in the era and region where Ali was from, it wouldn't surprise you that the message of the N.O.I. resonated with many of them.

The modern civil rights era was actually spearheaded by Black veterans of WW1 and WW2 who proudly fought for their country against "tyranny" and then Nazism..and then came home to legalized jim crow race based segregation and discrimination. Many Black vets were lynched in their uniforms in the South for being "uppity" and actually thinking that they deserved to be treated as human beings in THEIR country. They were lynched in uniform to make a point...and of course..even as war vets....their families had NO legal recourse in their OWN country.

This is the world that Ali was born into in 1940s Kentucky.



Anyway, not sure when...but Ali left the NOI and converted to Sunni Islam at some point and rejected the race based teachings of the Nation of Islam.

+100

Amazing how some overlook being in someone's else shoes during that time frame.

yes, you both are right about that.... he threw away his gold medal he won in rome, because he could not get service in a restaurant.

but I feel he still should have went into the army, he would have been in a special unit, for famous people, and it would have been a breeze for him to serve.

joe louis went in, sugar ray went in, jackie robinson went in, joe frazier was a better man than ali.

I am no liberal thinker when it comes to things like affirmative action etc.

But as a musician reading books and talking to many of the black "old time greats" of the jazz world. I have a different veiw of things.

I truly believe that things would never have gotten so bad in the 1960's with the riots, black panthers and the rise of black islam and all if we had only treated the blacks with a little more respect and dignity.

You've all seen the pictures of the gleaming, clean white bathrooms and a hole in the floor for the "colored" bathrooms. The white drinking fountains of porcelain and chrome and the colored drinking fountain was a hose on the side of the building. Why couldn't they put some seats for blacks to sit at in the lunch counters. If white people did not want to be near them fine, maybe they didn't want to be near us either. The point is most of it was stupid and petty.

If you were a black war vetran who almost got his ass shot off in WW2 and had to drink from a hose outside I wouldn't blame you for being pissed.

The whites especially in the south took this shit way too far.

I don't want this to sound like a "Kumbaya" moment, but if the whites had treated the blacks with a little more respect and really tried for some kind of honest and fair "separate but equal" I don't think you would have had all the terrible problems that came about in the 1960's when the black folks just couldn't take any more bullshit.

Another thing... the pendulum never would have had to swing so far left all the way into the 1980's like it did.

Some common sense, honesty, fair play and just plain decency was all that was needed on the white folks part.

Sal

HYPOCRISY OF DEMOCRACY .We are all old children . People want what they want . If i put you down label you a outcast and unworthy of my respect,more money and land for me.How can you ask me to fight in a war or pay taxes . WHEN I DONT HAVE BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS.

Ali would have been better with the mob and without Don King, talk about a real crook

How come no one brings up the Blinky Palermo connection to Sonny Liston and Ali's 2 bouts against Liston? I mean the 2nd fight I believe contained the phantom punch that was pretty clear evidence that he took a dive no? I mean I'm not suggesting Ali wasn't an all time great or wouldn't have been the champ eventually, but does anyone else think that Ali got his first title bc the other guy took a dive? Not sure if there was any rumblings that the first match was fixed by Palermo/Carbo, but I think there's some evidence to indicate the 2nd one was?

Can anyone shed more light on this issue? I'm only 30 so wasnt alive when Ali was fighting and have just a conversational knowledge of boxing history..

mickey balls......

see my post above about the two ali-liston fights. as I stated in my post, the fbi had wiretaps overhearing o,c, gamblers warning not to bet on ali-liston 1.

the big boys [oc made guys, gamblers, bookies, felt something was wrong in that fight]

ali-liston 2, fugetaboutit.

Not sure this is the best thread to post this video, but its great, youll see Ali at his most shocked, surprised, humble..etc etc well worth a watch guys

http://youtu.be/ZWZOBX1vE7A

Sonny Liston was originally "controlled" by John Vitale from St. Louis. Vitale had a piece of Liston's earnings after he gave him over to Carbo and Palermo.

Nick Tosches wrote an excellent bio of Liston, which includes portions of Vitale and and Liston testimony in front of the Senate:

https://books.google.com/books?id=9oQBNB...ton&f=false

tony g, great post, you are right on vitale from st.louis, owned liston. later gave or [was instructed] to give up liston to carbo, Palermo,

[quote=TonyG]Sonny Liston was originally "controlled" by John Vitale from St. Louis. Vitale had a piece of Liston's earnings after he gave him over to Carbo and Palermo.

Nick Tosches wrote an excellent bio of Liston, which includes portions of Vitale and and Liston testimony in front of the Senate:

https://books.google.com/books?id=9oQBNB...ton&f=false
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great read..... proving liston was 100% mobbed up from the get-go.

@Salvi62

Shaking my head at your post. Affirmative action was needed because folks will put THEIR family in friends in jobs THEY are not even qualified for.I saw people attempt to put white HS grads in jobs over blacks with master degrees. This was at St. Louis in 1992 at TWA and in Atlanta at Northwest Airlines in 1992. When I was at TWA in Kansas City, the good old boys stole the different aircraft trade tests and gave them to their unqualified kids who never worked on a plane in their life. But tell the brothers you got to have 5 years experience and the FAA mechanics license.