Okay those latest charts are really baffling to me. According to that guy Pogo, the Lucchese family currently has eight captains and the Bonannos have seventeen. Eight seems really low, especially since the Luccheses are thought to be bigger and more powerful than the Bonannos.

My guess would be 10. Think in little Al's book the chart of the family when amuso was on the street was 8. I bet crea doesn't even want to talk to half his capos. Now creas boss and not on parole but he has a street boss. What happend to underboss and consig doing all the work. Thing with chin he did have Ben eggs doing a lot of his work. Read yesterday barney is official boss but has a street boss I wonder who his 2 n 3 are. If he even wants them. But they got to stick to trqditions cause its the reason these guys believe and still want a button.

The Luchese are an enigma right now, we can only guess what's going on with them.

Do we know who Crea's street boss is? They say Lubrano was released recently. He may be running the Bronx for him.

The santorelli's run crea's old crew , the lucchese family have historically had around 10 capos

The Luccheses have always been at around 10-12 capos (approx. 100-130 made men), while the Bonannos often hovered around 14 to 18 capos (140-180 made members).

From black hand forum

1. Carmine Avellino/70 - Queens, Long Island and Florida
2. John "Johnny Hooks" Capra/74 - Bronx
3. John “Big John” Castellucci/55 - Brooklyn
4. Andrew DiSimone/52 - Westchester and the Bronx
5. Joseph "Joey" Giampa/74 – Bronx and New Jersey
6. Ralph Perna/69 (IP) – New Jersey
7. Dominic "Crazy Dom" Truscello/80/Vincent "Vinny Casablanca" Mancione/54/Anthony Croce/82 – Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island and Long Island
8. Anthony "Blue Eyes" Santorelli/69 – Brooklyn and the Bronx

If it's possible could you please post such a list of the other 4 families Furio?

Who took over DiNapoli's crew?

@Pmac
Allegedly Peter "Petey Red" DiChiari is the current Genovese street boss. Went away for 5 years on gambling and extortion charges after being caught on tape by D'Urso back in 2001.

Was also indicted for a bribery scheme in which the Genovese family coordinated with Gambino and Bonnano family members to extort union local bosses.

http://nlpc.org/category/people/peter-dichiara

Yes I seen that about Pete red. Also remember from his old case with durso the guy was a real gangster. Like he robs bank and shit. Must be nice for him to go from selling stolen fireworks and shit to street boss of the biggest and richest family in USA. The little taste from all the envelopes must be nice. Barney probably been rich forever this guy earned that street position. Its also like the 5 the time I've read about that social club in les. Probably has Bugs all over the place.

I would not be surprised if Barney's number 2 is someone else.

Is it possible that the Luccheses are overrated and the third most powerful family is actually the Bonannos? They just don't seem to have the numbers. I know the numbers aren't everything, but they're still pretty important.

my bet would be ernie muscarella

Ralphie_cifaretto if I dont be wrong a Ivy tell me that consider the Luccheses the third fam is wrong but you may think that there are 2 big fams genovese and gambino and 3 little lucchese,bonanno and colombo.
Second thing the Lucchese crew are always be big than 10 made men for example the Vario crew had 14 made men and 40 associates. So 8 capo dont necessary means 80 made men but at least 100-120 made men.

Sure I can, Billy

Genovese

Capos:
1. Anthony "Tico" Antico/78 (IP/6/12/2018) – Brooklyn
2. Ludwig "Ninny" Bruschi/80/Anthony “Tony D” Palumbo/64 (IP/11/22/2019) - New Jersey
3. Joseph "Joe D" Dente Jr/56 (UI) – The Bronx and New Jersey (UI)
4. Michael “Little Mike/Mikey Cigars” Coppola/66 (IP/3/4/2024)/Michael “Tona” Borelli/76 (Acting) – New Jersey
5. Silvio DeVita/81 - New Jersey
6. Peter "Petey Red" DiChiara/73/Street Boss – Manhattan, Brooklyn and New Jersey
7. Pasquale “Patty Boy” Falcetti/56 (IP/1/14/2017) – Bronx, East Harlem, Manhattan
8. Thomas "Figgy" Ficarotta - Manhattan and Brooklyn
9. Conrad Ianniello/71 (IP)– Brooklyn, Staten Island, Connecticut, Long Island, New Jersey and Florida
10. Joseph "PePe" LaScala/80 (UI) - The Bronx and New Jersey
11. Daniel “Danny/The Lion” Leo/73 – Bronx and East Harlem
12. Alan "Baldie" Longo/63 - Manhattan, Brooklyn and New Jersey
13. Daniel “Danny” Pagano/63 (IP/8/29/2017) - Bronx, Manhattan and New Jersey
14. Pasquale "Patsy" Parello/69 - Bronx
15. Anthony "Rom" Romanello/77 – Queens
16. Charles "Chuckie" Tuzzo/81 (UI) – Brooklyn and New Jersey

Gambino

1.Vincent "Vinnie" Artuso/69 (IP/8/20/2016) – Florida
2. Domenico "Italian Dom" Cefalu/68/Dominick "Big D" Cefalu/57 - Brooklyn and Long Island
3. Thomas "Tommy Twitch/Sneakers" Cacciopoli/64 - Queens and Westchester
4. Nicholas "Little Nick/The Doctor" Corozzo/74 (IP/3/2/2020)/Leonard "Lenny/The Conductor" DiMaria/73 – Brooklyn, Queens and Florida
5. John "Jackie Nose" D'Amico/77/Ernest "Ernie/Crazy Eyes" Grillo/58 - New Jersey, Manhattan and Brooklyn
6. Louis DeVito/73
7. Anthony Gurino/71 – Queens and Brooklyn
8. Joseph "Sonny" Juliano/76/Up Front Panel - Brooklyn
9. Salvatore "Tori" LoCascio/54/Andrew "Andy Campo" Campos/45 – Bronx
10. Lorenzo Mannino/55 - Brooklyn
11. Daniel Marino/73 - Brooklyn and Staten Island
12. Joseph "Joe Ox" Marino/89 - Brooklyn
13. Pasquale Marsala - Manhattan and Brooklyn
14. Nicholas “Nicky Mita” Mitarotonda/76 - New Jersey
15. Louis Mastrangelo/70 - Queens and Long Island
16. Louis "Louie Bracciole" Ricco/85 – Bronx and Westchester
17. John Rizzo Jr. – Brooklyn and Staten Island
18. Thomas “Monk” Sassano/68 - Queens and Florida
19. Carmine “Top Tomato” Sciandra/61 - Staten Island, Brooklyn, Connecticut and Manhattan
20. Alphonse "Funzie" Sisca/71/Louis “Bo” Filippelli/47 - New Jersey and Queens

Bonanno

1.Jerome “Jerry” Asaro/57 (IP/8/6/2020)/Michael Padavona - Queens
2. Gerard "Jerry" Chilli/81 – Staten Island and Florida
3. Louis "Louie the Leg-Breaker" Civello Sr/65 – New Jersey
4. Thomas “Tommy D” DiFiore/72 – Brooklyn and Queens
5. Joseph "Joe Desi" DeSimone/82 (IP) – Brooklyn
6. Anthony “The Hat/Walker/Stutters” Frascone/65 (IP/9/2/2016)/John “Johnny Joe” Spirito Jr. - Bronx, Queens and Long Island
7. Ronald Giallanzo/45 (IP) - Queens
8. Joseph Grimaldi/45 - Brooklyn and Queens
9. Vito Grimaldi/76 - Brooklyn and Queens
10. Peter Lovaglio/54 (UI)
11. Anthony "Little Anthony" Pipitone/43 (IP) – Brooklyn, Long Island and Queens
12. John Palazzolo/78 (IP) – The Bronx and Brooklyn
13. Joseph Sabella/50 – Bronx and Brooklyn
14. Nicholas "Nicky Mouth" Santora/73 (UI)/Vito Badamo/53 (UI) – Brooklyn and Long Island
15. John "Johnny Mulberry" Sciremammano/59 – Long Island
16. George Tropiano/66 - Staten Island
17. John "Porky" Zancocchio/58 – Brooklyn, Staten Island and Florida


Colombo

1. Joseph Amato/56 - Brooklyn
2. Joseph Baudanza/70 - Brooklyn, Manhattan and Staten Island
3. Dennis "Fat/Little/The Beard" DeLucia/72 - Brooklyn and the Bronx
4. Thomas “Tom Mix/Mr. T” Farese/72 – South Florida
5. Ralph Lombardo Sr/84/Luca DiMatteo/70 – Brooklyn, Queens and Long Island

This is a lucchese made men thanks to pogo the clown from black hand forum.

Soldiers:
Carmine Accardi/75
Anthony Accetturo Jr.
Thomas “Tommy Red” Anzellotto
Salvatore Avellino/79
Anthony “Bowatt” Baratta/76
Frank Bassi/81
John Baudanza/44
Jody Calabrese/53
Dominick "Nicky Pepsi" Capelli/58
Michael “Mikey Cap” Capra/73
Robert "Bucky the Boss" Caravaggio/71
Eugene "Bubsie" Castelle/53
John "Johnny Sideburns" Cerrella/74
George "Georgie Goggles" Conte/53
John Conti/73
Michael “Mikey Bones” Corcione/74
Steven "Stevie Wonder/Herbie" Crea/67 (Could be Acting Boss)
Steven Crea Jr.
Domenico "Danny" Cutaia/78
Thomas "Fat Tommy" D'Ambrosia/71
Joseph “Big Joe” Datello/61 (UI)
Pasqual "Patty" DeLarosso/60
Peter "Petey" DelCioppo/81
Richard DeLuca/81
Philip DeSimone/59
Michael “Mike” DeSantis/58
Joseph "Little Joe" DiBenedetto/46
Nicholas “Fat Nicky” DiConstanza
Anthony DiMeglio/82
Salvatore “Sally Bow” DiSimone
Joseph "The Ironworker" Fama/48
Frank “Frankie Pearls” Federico/88
John "Johnny Blue" Ferreri/72
Christopher "Christy Ticks" Furnari/91
James “Froggy” Galione/51
Thomas "Tommy" Gelardo/66
Scott Gervasi/50
Frank "Fat Frank" Giacobbe/59
Michael Guierriero/55 (UI)
Anthony LaSorsa/75
Frank "Big Frank" Lastorino/69
Paul LoDuca/75
Joseph "Big Joey" Lubrano/45
Leonard Mangiapane/76
Pasquale A. Maselli/91
Aniello "Neil" Migliore/77
Marco Minuto/47
Frank Moia/79
Enzo Napole
Frank "Frankie Bones" Papagni/58
Joseph R. Perna
Michael Perna/73
Anthony "Razor" Pezzullo/64
Carlo Piccioli/84
Carmelo “Carlo” Propetta/72
Daniel Rizzo/71
Antonio “Curly” Russo/77 (UI)
Alfred "Freddy Boy" Santorelli
John Sorrentino Sr/70
John Sorrentino Jr.
Carlo Taccetta/42
Michael “Mad Dog” Taccetta/68
Joseph "Joey Flowers" Tangorra/65
Joseph "Torty Jr." Tortorello/54
Joseph "JoJo" Truncale/77
Ralph Tutino/87
John “Johnny V” Vanasco/72
Peter “Rugsy” Vario/79
Peter “Butch/Jocko” Vario/71
Anthony Villani Jr/50
Rocco Vitulli/54
Joseph Zaffuto/44
Arthur Zambardi
George "Georgie Neck" Zappola/54


Imprisoned Members:
Ray Argentina/54 (IP/10/04/2024)
Salvatore Cutaia/52 (IP/8/22/2016)
Louis "Crossbay Louie/Bagels" Daidone/62 (IP/L)
Joseph “Big Joe” DiNapoli/79 (IP)
Christopher Londonio/42 (UI/IP)
John “Blackie” Mangrella/72 (IP)
Joseph "Joey Bang Bang" Massaro/70 (IP/L)
John Perna/38 (IP)
Joseph M. “Little Joe” Perna/45 (IP)
John "Fat Face/Johnny Boy" Petrucelli/43 (IP/L)
Nicodemo "Nicky Jr." Scarfo Jr/50 (IP/12/202037)
Anthony Senter/55 (IP/10/13/2032)
Michael “Baldy Mike” Spinelli/54 (IP/1/03/2029)
Martin “Marty” Taccetta/64 (IP)
Joseph “Joey” Testa/53 (IP/10/23/2032)

There is likely some overlap with those Bonanno captains. A lot of new names were revealed with that recent meeting that made the news and led to a few being busted for parole violation.

In other words, there probably aren't 17 captains in the Bonanno family and there certainly aren't 140-180 members if you go by the most recent estimates. More like 100-125.

The Luccheses, Colombos, and Bonannos are all roughly the same size. And even though some on the forums seem to build up the Luccheses a lot, they're much closer to the other two smaller families than the Genovese or Gambinos.

I just said it Ivy.

the lucchese and genovese families are very close , especially the Bronx factions . There making tons of money in joint construction ventures

There is no way the Bonannos are bigger or have more man power then the Lucchese family.


What I wanna know is the approximate size of the Lucchese's Jersey crew? It's one of if not the biggest crews in the family, correct? Hopefully someone like Ivy can help me out there and if so any idea as to how many made guys are in the NJ crew and who runs it?

Also another curious thing, does the Bonannos have a Jersey crew as well? If so how big and who runs it?

Thanks in advance for any help you guys can give me in answering my questions.

capeci disagrees ...

the luchese family might be the most stable and the leadership might be doing well does not mean the family is big

The lucchese family was historically the smallest family but the third most powerful

Historically was the colombo the most small est due to the continue war where the Lucchese was the most stable apart the Amuso/Casso regime.

There has been a lot of misinformation and misunderstandings about the New York Families over the years.

The Gambino's have usually been the largest, if not the most powerful, due to being the oldest established.

The Genovese's usually the strongest, due to leadership, wide ranging enterprises and close ties with the Chicago Outfit.

The Bonnano's, I believe, were originally the 3rd largest and 3rd most powerful from the 30's until the 60's.

The Lucchese's have always been 4th in size and usually 3rd or 4th powerwise, mostly due to their leadership and close historical ties with the Genovese.

The Colombo's have pretty much always been the smallest, least widespread and smallest, due to being the last formed of the New York mobs.

Today of course it's pretty much the Genovese's and the Gambino's, then the other 3 as far as size and power goes.

The Lucchese's take 3rd place powerwise due to leadership and Genovese ties, as per usual. Sizewise, as Ivy said, not much to chose between the last 3.

What crew is Crea's kid in?

While the Genovese has always been the top family, with the Gambinos a close #2, the three smaller families have fluctuated in position over the years. However their relative sizes haven't been much different over at least the past few decades. One could argue that the Luccheses are #3 but that's a big drop between #2 and #3.

Last I read Joseph "Sammy" Sammartino was running the Bonanno operations in Jersey but Louis Civello may have taken over recently.

I don't know how big the Lucchese Jersey crew is but I think at least 8 members were busted in Operation Heat.

Would it be fair to say that the the Bonannos have more members, but Luccheses have more higher quality members than the Bonannos?

If the Bonannos have more more members, it's a negligible amount. Like a difference of maybe 15 members at most if you average out the more recent estimates.