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My Weekly Controversial Article In The Daily 49er... #57840
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Well, I have begun my career as a journalist, and what better way to get a name for yourself than to put your submissions out there for the world to see? At my school, I have begun writing a weekly column for The Daily 49er on controversial issues. I will post a link to my article each week and then you can comment on it whatever way you see fit. Call me an asshole, tell me I'm wrong, whatever floats your boat. Hell, if you disagree with me a lot (as many of you probably will), you can even send in a letter to the editor!

My first article, entitled, "Pacifists, And Why I Hate Them," can be found by clicking this link: http://www.csulb.edu/~d49er/archives/2003/spring/opinion/v10n62-pac.shtml .


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Is this a school thing or what? Does a school allow hate? lol Anyway, i do agree on the pacifist thing. I mean, war is INEVITABLE at the moment. Sadamm isn't gonna surender whatever he is hiding up his a$$. These students have no say in it. They are comparing it to "Nam" But remember, we were not in "Nam" for defence PERSAY. The pres though commie ba$tards would grow and invade america but still, Gulf War part II is more of a threat. So all you "get laid at 15" hippies shut up and sit down, what your scared of a draft?! Its an honor to serve your country. smile


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Re: My Weekly Controversial Article In The Daily 49er... #57842
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Originally posted by howardsternisgod:
Well, I have begun my career as a journalist, and what better way to get a name for yourself than to put your submissions out there for the world to see? At my school, I have begun writing a weekly column for The Daily 49er on controversial issues. I will post a link to my article each week and then you can comment on it whatever way you see fit. Call me an asshole, tell me I'm wrong, whatever floats your boat. Hell, if you disagree with me a lot (as many of you probably will), you can even send in a letter to the editor!

My first article, entitled, "Pacifists, And Why I Hate Them," can be found by clicking this link: http://www.csulb.edu/~d49er/archives/2003/spring/opinion/v10n62-pac.shtml .
Great Article Comrade Stern!

Well, I guess this is a tough one for me. I agree that Terrorism must be dealt with, but I am not sure how that relates to Saddam Hussein. I am also not sure that it is possible to control and destroy groups of terrorists, governments that support them, to the individual follower of Terrorism without obliterating the entire world as we know it to ashes!

The only solution seems to be if one could somehow get everyone to drop their fanatical beliefs, give up their nuclear weapons, and all of a sudden just get along with one another.

When Lenin took power and created the Soviet Union, he tore down all of the religions and took their property for the state, and make Atheism the Law and Religion Unlawful. What took place was a somewhat unified people under the state where people weren't divided by religious prejudice (at least internally it seemed).

But when the Soviet order collapsed, everyone went back to their old way of thinking and their old prejudices and started civil wars all over the place, many that are STILL going on!

Now, it may not be possible to expect people to go back to the "way it was".

Re: My Weekly Controversial Article In The Daily 49er... #57843
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My second article is now online and up for all the world to see. View it at http://www.csulb.edu/%7Ed49er/archives/2003/spring/opinion/v10n67-rel.shtml and add your comments on this thread...MisterSixer, I know you will find this week's topic very dear to your heart...


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My second article is now online and up for all the world to see. View it at http://www.csulb.edu/%7Ed49er/archives/2003/spring/opinion/v10n67-rel.shtml and add your comments on this thread...MisterSixer, I know you will find this week's topic very dear to your heart...
Did you change majors from last week to this week?

I think your articles are well written, and ring a familiar theme (although the language is a little less colorful). I may not agree, but you at least have the courage to put your name to it. Have you gotten feedback in the form of letters to the editors concerning your writings?

I noticed you garnered the support of Vercetti with your first article - that must be reassuring. I wonder how he honored himself and served the country.


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Re: My Weekly Controversial Article In The Daily 49er... #57845
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My second article is now online and up for all the world to see. View it at http://www.csulb.edu/%7Ed49er/archives/2003/spring/opinion/v10n67-rel.shtml and add your comments on this thread...MisterSixer, I know you will find this week's topic very dear to your heart...
Hahahaha! Very impressive Howard! I loved the subtle remark about "kids at the pool!" Got any hate mail yet?

Sigh, the only thing with articles like this is that it either makes one infamous or hated. No doubt you´ll get some stares as soon as you mention your name to people who have read your article!

Karl Marx was thrown out of his native Germany for similar articles as yours! But times have changed, and I think College campuses are the prime breeding ground for Atheistic thinking and new thought! Many a religious nut have gone to college, gotten an education, and come out Atheist! They must have been the ones actually studying.

Battle on Howard!

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I was an anchor for my schools weekly cable news cast and said some shit that really pissed off the President of the school. Are you listed as a "commentator"? What is your direct title for the school paper? I went to The University of the Ozarks in Arkansas, they have a pretty decent Communications program I guess.

I agree with you somewhat on your thoughts. It is tough being a journalist....every one hates you....everyone loves you, no one ever really makes up there mind. Fuck em.

-Minnow-


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Don Marco - No, my major didn't change from last week to this week, it wasn't printed correctly the first week. My major is Accounting and my minor is Broadcast Journalism, never was Journalism my major.

Anyway, I appreciate the feedback from you guys...as for the real name being on it, this is what I have to say: I had mixed feelings about it at first. I was first going to use my radio name, which was in the title of my radio show until it got cancelled: Alan Shadeway (that's my porn name, just in case you're wondering). After deliberating a little, I finally just figured "Fuck it", people are going to love or hate me either way, so it doesn't really make a difference. The only thing I'm concerned about is when CamillusDon posts a separate post about me and contains my real name in it. It's fine for my name to be in the newspaper and the newspaper's website, but is it really necessary to post my real name here? Who knows if some jerk would want to kill me for simply exercizing my right to free speech? Please, if you don't agree with me that's fine, but I appreciate the rest of you for not posting my real name here. Whoever wants to read the articles can click on the link, read it, and see my name, but their is no need to post it here...in other words, let people do their own homework.

Minnow - I am simply a contributor with a weekly column, but you can call me "commentator" if you'd like! My real passion is radio, so I'd prefer that title more anyway!

Next week's article is going to be a great one!


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In response to my first article, the pro-war one, a Letter To The Editor was printed in today's paper. You can read it at http://www.csulb.edu/%7Ed49er/archives/2003/spring/opinion/v10n68-let.shtml .


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Re: My Weekly Controversial Article In The Daily 49er... #57849
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In response to my first article, the pro-war one, a Letter To The Editor was printed in today's paper. You can read it at http://www.csulb.edu/%7Ed49er/archives/2003/spring/opinion/v10n68-let.shtml .
Haha! I am afraid that here is where we might actually differ Comrade Howard. I mean this new war against Saddam doesn't seem to relate to the real problem, which is bin Laden and terrorism.

What will this war accomplish? I can't see any long term benefit. All I see is a war in 2003 that is conveniant for Bush's election in 2004. Nothing more.

And will Bush decisively win this war with Iraq before his election win? It will probably last just long enough for him to get the vote. I keep thinking that this is a reinactment of Iraq's war with Bush Senior, with nothing really changed in Iraq after the Gulf war.

But maybe this war will lead to other war campaigns that will eventually rid the world of religious fanatical terrorism!? Probably not...just more stalemates.

Just a thought.

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You may be right about the election thing and Bush doing so to garner support, but I don't think that is the whole story. Recall what you felt when waking up on September 11 and seeing the towers crumble to the ground...can we afford something like that to happen again? Why shouldn't we protect ourselves against any potential enemies we may have? With special regard to Iraq, I don't think they are as innocent as many people perceive they are, in light of Colin Powell's evidence presented against them in his United Nations conference. Either way, I totally see where you are coming from, MisterSixer, and I know you see my view clearly as well...this may be the only thing we partially disagree on!


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You may be right about the election thing and Bush doing so to garner support, but I don't think that is the whole story. Recall what you felt when waking up on September 11 and seeing the towers crumble to the ground...can we afford something like that to happen again? Why shouldn't we protect ourselves against any potential enemies we may have? With special regard to Iraq, I don't think they are as innocent as many people perceive they are, in light of Colin Powell's evidence presented against them in his United Nations conference. Either way, I totally see where you are coming from, MisterSixer, and I know you see my view clearly as well...this may be the only thing we partially disagree on!
Well, that is just the problem Howard, that the majority of action being taken is action against the (seemingly) wrong person...Saddam! I mean Bush did everything but blame the 9-11 attacks on Saddam. Saddam this, Saddam that! Hardly a mention of the real culprit, who seems to be yelling at Bush that he is still alive and well. I just don{t get it...what am I missing?

Can we afford another attack like the 9-11 attacks? Not if it involves nuclear or biochemical weapons we can't. Why shouldn't we defend ourselves? We should. But how do you destroy a belief? How do you defend yourself from an idea?

Too bad the US destroyed the old Soviet government, they could have used them! I doubt the current Russian government could be of any help. They've got their own problems.

Re: My Weekly Controversial Article In The Daily 49er... #57852
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Anyway, I appreciate the feedback from you guys...as for the real name being on it, this is what I have to say: I had mixed feelings about it at first. I was first going to use my radio name, which was in the title of my radio show until it got cancelled: Alan Shadeway (that's my porn name, just in case you're wondering). After deliberating a little, I finally just figured "Fuck it", people are going to love or hate me either way, so it doesn't really make a difference. The only thing I'm concerned about is when CamillusDon posts a separate post about me and contains my real name in it. It's fine for my name to be in the newspaper and the newspaper's website, but is it really necessary to post my real name here? Who knows if some jerk would want to kill me for simply exercizing my right to free speech? Please, if you don't agree with me that's fine, but I appreciate the rest of you for not posting my real name here. Whoever wants to read the articles can click on the link, read it, and see my name, but their is no need to post it here...in other words, let people do their own homework.

I have read many posts and this is the second time I have seen this subject.

Mr Stern, here is some feedback for you. You say Fuck-it if people know you name one post, then you piss about it if someone uses it. Buddy what is your problem are you a career journalist and want your name to go hand in hand with your work or are you a trouble maker blaming someone else for your mistake.

Yea right, people should do their own homework to find it out? Grow some hair around your manhood and be a man. Make up your mind and stop blaming others. Put your name on it and take credit for your works or hide behind a fake name, but don't knock a good poster here. That was a lame move in my opinion and you lost credibility by bitching.

Well, I have begun my career as a journalist, and what better way to get a name for yourself than to put your submissions out there for the world to see?

I had to chuckle when I read that you used your real name in a website newspaper in a school that you attend and people know you, but you are afraid of 13 year old kids from a Gangster B Board. Yes there are many stories of people traveling across the great USA to kill loud mouth journalists lol

It was then that I remember that you are just a young man yourself. Still in school. You know you may of had a bitch if Camillus Don had taken your cheap posts from this board and forwarded them to your professors or the school paper to see how great you really write and what you bitch over.

Then maybe we could post what your classmates have to say about you and your work. Some real meat I bet.

I do hope that you do not start using this board as your new fourm. I for one do not think that would be right and I hope Geoff watches out for all the posters, as you my friend have a thin skin and don't take things well.

when you say you want the world to see, mean it!

Sorry Stern- I was just being honest! Hope there are no hard feelings, But you asked for it.


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Re: My Weekly Controversial Article In The Daily 49er... #57853
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I have read many posts and this is the second time I have seen this subject.

Mr Stern, here is some feedback for you. You say Fuck-it if people know you name one post, then you piss about it if someone uses it. Buddy what is your problem are you a career journalist and want your name to go hand in hand with your work or are you a trouble maker blaming someone else for your mistake.


It wasn't the simple fact that he used my name, it was the fact that he simply put it on there to provoke me. Notice no one else did that but him! He was trying to jab at me because he didn't have anything to back up his weak ass argument. Let me ask you: what does my name have to do with the content of the article? Nothing, except I am the one who wrote it. He knew that I wrote it and it's not like I was trying to hide it or anything because I was the one who posted about the articles in the first place! The point is that there was no reason at all to even say my name as it doesn't mean anything to any of you! I can't believe how many of you miss the point!

Yea right, people should do their own homework to find it out? Grow some hair around your manhood and be a man. Make up your mind and stop blaming others. Put your name on it and take credit for your works or hide behind a fake name, but don't knock a good poster here. That was a lame move in my opinion and you lost credibility by bitching.

Grow some hair around my manhood, huh? You want me to take it out and bitch slap you with it? I take credit and pride in my work, THAT'S WHY I SIGN MY REAL NAME ON IT!!! And really, who cares about your opinion anyway? Howard Stern once said, "opinions are like buttholes...everyone has one and they all stink." Truer words were never spoken.

Well, I have begun my career as a journalist, and what better way to get a name for yourself than to put your submissions out there for the world to see?

I had to chuckle when I read that you used your real name in a website newspaper in a school that you attend and people know you, but you are afraid of 13 year old kids from a Gangster B Board. Yes there are many stories of people traveling across the great USA to kill loud mouth journalists.


First of all, my little ignoramus friend, it isn't simply a website newspaper, as you say, it is actually printed and distributed across campus. Secondly, what on Earth gave you the idea that I was scared of a 13 year old kid on a gangster site?

It was then that I remember that you are just a young man yourself. Still in school. You know you may of had a bitch if Camillus Don had taken your cheap posts from this board and forwarded them to your professors or the school paper to see how great you really write and what you bitch over.

Wow are you off the mark...let him forward them to my professors in school, in fact, I'LL TELL MY FUCKING PROFESSORS MYSELF ABOUT THE ARTICLES I WRITE!!! They will commend me for honestly speaking my mind! What do YOU think they will do, fail me because I write a controversial article?!

Then maybe we could post what your classmates have to say about you and your work. Some real meat I bet.

That would be great, I LOVE THE ATTENTION!!!

I do hope that you do not start using this board as your new fourm. I for one do not think that would be right and I hope Geoff watches out for all the posters, as you my friend have a thin skin and don't take things well.

Thin-skin, huh? Don't make me laugh. If I had thin-skin do you really think I would voice my outspoken opinions and get them printed in a newspaper for a school that has OVER 34,000 STUDENTS?!?!?! I don't think that's cowardly at all, do you?

when you say you want the world to see, mean it!

That's why I posted here to begin with.

Sorry Stern- I was just being honest! Hope there are no hard feelings, But you asked for it.

That sounds funny coming from someone whose arguments just got beat to a merciless pulp. Bring it on...that is if you have any more material...


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Thank you for making my points for me.

You have showed all on this board your true colors.

"I will post a link to my article each week and then you can comment on it whatever way you see fit. Call me an asshole, tell me I'm wrong, whatever floats your boat. Hell, if you disagree with me a lot (as many of you probably will), you can even send in a letter to the editor! "

I guess you are the type of journalist who can't take what he asked for!

Please don't worry about hearing from me again. I do not deal with such people. I left name calling and preschool many years ago and I will not return to that level to play with the likes of you. Posters here now know for sure that you are no a man of his written or spoken words.

One last note...Please Grow up or get out of the field. American doesn't need another asshole we already have the real Howard Stern and Mixtersixer covering both bases here and on the Radio/TV. Fact, Not name calling.

After reading that last post, I am now sure you and Mistersixer are one in the same! Who cares tho. I will not post to you or his posts after tonite.

My guess is that you will be right here in less then a second responding as you are attention needer.


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DON VERCETTI. Please stay out of others peoples business. I think you have had enough trouble with others posters within your short stay here. I say this in a nice way so please keep YOUR anger in check. I know you love to bicker also. Thank for this in advance. Goodnight!


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Please don't worry about hearing from me again. I do not deal with such people. I left name calling and preschool many years ago and I will not return to that level to play with the likes of you. Poster here now know for sure that you are no a man of his written or spoken words.
It's amazing how people like you just skirt the real argument here! I think I posted very clearly, in my last post, why I said the name doesn't come into play, did you just conveniently brush that aside? And how am I not true to my word? Can you honestly say that I am no man of my word? Oh, and did I mention the OVER 34,000 STUDENTS THAT ATTEND THE SCHOOL WHERE THE PAPER IS PUBLISHED AND PLACED FOR FREE IN MANY NEWSPAPER HOLDERS ACROSS CAMPUS, FOR ALL TO READ AND ENJOY? Yeah, I think I did mention that, but again, all my points are usually disregarded by fools like you.


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DON VERCETTI. Please stay out of others peoples business. I think you have had enough trouble with others posters within your short stay here. I say this in a nice way so please keep YOUR anger in check. I know you love to bicker also. Thank for this in advance. Goodnight![/b]
We can make it our business. If you dont like it, PM howie. Otherwise, we have the right. Read the bottom of the section.


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We can make it our business. If you dont like it, PM howie. Otherwise, we have the right. Read the bottom of the section.
This might be the first time we agree about something.


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"Allow me to go through a small list of what the United States has done to help other countries: we fought in the Gulf War to liberate Kuwait, preventing a staggering increase in oil prices that could have followed; we successfully ended the Hitler-tactics Slobodan Milosevic was using to kill his people, we provide a safe refuge for people looking to escape their overbearing countries; we ousted the extremely oppressive Taliban from power in Afghanistan, liberating hundreds of Afghanis; the list can go on and on.
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Allow me to show you a website which shows a list of what USA did to other countries;
http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/ChronologyofTerror.html

You probably never heard of many or all of these acts of terrorism towards other countries.

I dont want this thread to turn into a flame. Gerry Wachovsky(howardsternisgod) I respect you because you are way older than me, all I want to try and do is to enlighten you with what USA did to other countries... as a result stuff like 911 happened and god forbid... it easily can happen in even more destructive way.

If you want further discussions please lets not kill our mafia movies/books friends with boredom and politics grin ... lets discuss this over e-mail or private messages.
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"Allow me to go through a small list of what the United States has done to help other countries: we fought in the Gulf War to liberate Kuwait, preventing a staggering increase in oil prices that could have followed

The problem is not that oil prices are too high, but rather that our automobiles don't get good mileage. Which with our technology, could make one gallon of gas go 300 miles. But that would mean that we would probably only pay $5 for 300 miles instead of $20 for 200 miles.

we successfully ended the Hitler-tactics Slobodan Milosevic was using to kill his people,

We caused the Hitler-tactics in the first place, now we are heroes to the people!

we provide a safe refuge for people looking to escape their overbearing countries; we ousted the extremely oppressive Taliban from power in Afghanistan, liberating hundreds of Afghanis; the list can go on and on.


Yes, and they are ALL welcome here providing they can swim accross the ocean the whole way!

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we successfully ended the Hitler-tactics Slobodan Milosevic was using to kill his people

by killing over 4,000 civilians...howardsternisgod you call that successful?


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No offense GAMBINO, but you come off to me the way many Canadians and non-Americans do: you have so much contempt for the United States, but for what reason? I visited the website you linked to, and I must say, much of that is propaganda and many of the stories don't show what happened in the context that it actually happened in.
For instance, take the supposed American terrorizing of "Palestine". There is no such thing as Palestine, there never was, and there never will be. The truth is that that land had gone unclaimed for centuries and the "Palestinians" were essentially squatting there, never actually staking claim in the land! They had some ridiculous notion where they thought that they had a "right of return" and thought they were somehow deservant of the land in question...why? What on Earth would give them this ridiculous idea? The funny thing is that with them it's either all or nothing. The Israelis have offered deals and peace so many times, but how are they repayed? With suicide bombings during a Passover seder! These people have proved that they are unable to deal with and the deal should be off the table for good.
I also notice that many of the links that are used for reference at that site deal with Jewish conspiracies, such as the idea of Zionism. Now let me tell you, I (being an Atheist now but still technically Jewish), don't fully agree with the whole Zionism thing but I will certainly say that it is not Jewish Naziism.
And where do all these civilian death statistics come from? Are these partial bodies, full bodies, etc. or just speculation? I'm not saying the US is innocent, but I do think these figures are blown up a bit. I mean, how are we to know if that little Palestinian boy who lies dead on the street just picked up a gun and aimed it at an Israeli soldier?
I know I might come off as a patriotic loudmouth, but I hope you can see the points that I've attempted to make here.


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[b]"Allow me to go through a small list of what the United States has done to help other countries: we fought in the Gulf War to liberate Kuwait, preventing a staggering increase in oil prices that could have followed


The problem is not that oil prices are too high, but rather that our automobiles don't get good mileage. Which with our technology, could make one gallon of gas go 300 miles. But that would mean that we would probably only pay $5 for 300 miles instead of $20 for 200 miles.

we successfully ended the Hitler-tactics Slobodan Milosevic was using to kill his people,

We caused the Hitler-tactics in the first place, now we are heroes to the people!

we provide a safe refuge for people looking to escape their overbearing countries; we ousted the extremely oppressive Taliban from power in Afghanistan, liberating hundreds of Afghanis; the list can go on and on.


Yes, and they are ALL welcome here providing they can swim accross the ocean the whole way![/b]
Interesting points...


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[QB]No offense GAMBINO, but you come off to me the way many Canadians and non-Americans do: you have so much contempt for the United States, but for what reason? I visited the website you linked to, and I must say, much of that is propaganda and many of the stories don't show what happened in the context that it actually happened in.
For instance, take the supposed American terrorizing of "Palestine". There is no such thing as Palestine, there never was, and there never will be. The truth is that that land had gone unclaimed for centuries and the "Palestinians" were essentially squatting there, never actually staking claim in the land!QB]
My good friend Gerry Wachovsky(howardsternisgod) On 15.11.1988, the PNC meeting in Algiers declared the State of Palestine as outlined in the UN Partition Plan 181, which includes Gaza Strip and West Bank currently under the Israeli occupation since 1967.

And a flag and the National Anthem for the new state was presented.

On 13.09.1993, Chairman Arafat of PLO signed the Declaration of Principles agreement in Washington with the Israeli Prime Minister, Yitzhak Rabin for a limited self-rule in Gaza Strip and West Bank based on UN resolution 242 and other UN resolution related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, to start with Israeli withdraw from Gaza Strip and West Bank city of Jerico which took place in 1994 .

On July 1994, Chairman Arafat entered Gaza as a president for the new founded Palestinian National Authority , a political body responsible for governing the self-rule Palestinian areas.

I think you should know this. Now that I have proved that there is PALESTINE! I will move on to the next thing you have said...
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[QB]Israelis have offered deals and peace so many times, but how are they repayed? QB]
The Arab-Israeli conflict in modern history is simply an illegal Jewish occupation of the Palestinian lands in two stages. The first stage was in 1948; they occupied 78% of the Arab-Palestinian lands and established their state, Israel. The second stage was in 1967. Israel launched an offensive war against the Arabs and occupied the rest of the Palestinian lands, which consisted of the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and the Gaza Strip.

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[QB]I mean, how are we to know if that little Palestinian boy who lies dead on the street just picked up a gun and aimed it at an Israeli soldier?
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We know that he did not pick up a gun because all that Palestinians have are sling shots, however Israels thanks to USA have Nuclear weapons.

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[QB]No offense GAMBINO, but you come off to me the way many Canadians and non-Americans do: you have so much contempt for the United States, but for what reason?QB]
I am Yugoslavian.


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Gambino:

How many civilians died at the hand of Milosovic? Are you saying the country was better beofre the American "interfence"? That's going to be a tough sell, so don't waste your time. What are you doing in Canada? Go back, if you dare.

You very boldly state that you proved that there is indeed a Palestine state because of the UN action in 1988. Could you explain the second part of your argument. You know, the part about the illegal occupation of the Arab/Palestinian lands. The state of Israel, created in 1948 by the same UN that created the Palestinian state 40 years later. Do you choose to ignore the 1948 UN and accept the 1988 UN?

Then we come to the 1967 6 Day War. It's really not just a 6 day war when you examing it more closely. Throughout the 1960s, Eqypt was agressively attacking Israeli positions. It became more violent in 1967. Eqyptian troops gathered on the border, and then President Nasser closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping.

Here is a quote from Nasser the day after the blockade was set up: "The Jews threaten to make war. I reply: Welcome! We are ready for war."

Nasser challenged Israel to fight almost daily. "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight," he said on May 27. The following day, he added: "We will not accept any...coexistence with Israel...Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel....The war with Israel is in effect since 1948."

Pretty bold words. Nasser pushed Israel to the edge, and in early June, Israel struck. 6 days later, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan accepted a cease fire. Israel pretty much embarassed the Arabs. And the Arabs weren't using sling-shots either. They had the latest Soviet tanks, guns, and fighters. Over 2,000 tanks, 700 planes, and 1/4 million troops were used by the Arabs, so this was no David and Goliath scenario. The Israelis didn't seem to need the "nuclear weapons" to slap the Arabs around.

You're getting in way over your head if you attempt to debate world history with me. Perhaps you would've preferred to attend the functions at the soccer stadium in Afghanistan before we were involved there. Oh, wait, they weren't using the stadiums for soccer then, were they?

Your arguments certainly aren't made any stronger by using a quote from Ramsey Clark in your signature.


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A little deep even for Mistersixer.

Sorry Howardsternisgod, I didn't know it was you I posted against, but I did so in a "milder" Mistersixer manner. smile

I can only examine the core problem of the Israel/Palestinian problem, and that would be asked by the question: "What is the big goddamn deal about that Particular area of the World?" Why does everyone want that dried up piece of land? What is so special about it?

My answer is that there is NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT IT! The issues fought over the "promised land" go farther back than the Crusades, much farther back. Back to the same old problem of Religion. NO STUPID-ASSES!(not you Howard) That land is NOT "holy!" Stop taking that f*cking book so damn serious! Everyone would get along just fine if they weren't taking their religion so f*cking serious! And why is everyone trying to prove that their religion is the "true" one with Tanks and Guns?!?!

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MisterSixer - That land is a shitty piece of real-estate but the conflict arises from the simple fact that each group thinks "god" gave it to them. How ridiculous! God didn't give it to them, the UN gave it to them, period.
And no offense was taken, MisterSixer!

Don Marco - Thank you for that wonderful post, you have now totally earned my respect. How do you know so much information? How many books have you read? Impressive indeed.
Would you agree that that site GAMBINO linked to seems to have many of the same ideals of sites such as the White Aryan Resistance ( http://www.resist.com ) and the National Alliance ( http://www.natall.com ), two of America's leading white supremacy groups? Nothing but propaganda, used to rope in and lead an unlearned mind.

GAMBINO - I think you should follow Don Marco's advice, don't get into this argument as you are extremely misguided. I tried to point this out to you but you "proved me wrong", didn't you? Please...


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I'm an accountant with a love of history. That combination leads one to remember a lot of details. When I was in college (many years ago) I got the school to recognize a new dual major, in Finance and History.


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