Art programs?

The "great society" has failed America, the progressive ideology of taking care of "citizens" from cradle to grave for votes is the source of the problems America has today.

Throwing more money at the problem is a big government ethos designed to feed the bureaucrats while solving nothing. On the contrary, entitlements and disability programs pay the have nots to have less.

An 18 year old minority can not get a job because his/her mother has been collecting "crazy checks" for eighteen (18) years. Even if the said minority wants to get a job he/she cant because any income would disqualify the welfare queen from collecting that child's
"disability" check to the said welfare queen.

So please for the love of god do not bring that after school, education for parents, lets throw more tax payer - big government money bullshit.

Better yet, regale us with a solution that does not revolve around a tax payer, single payer health care system with some discussion of personal responsibility.

Better yet, I will provide a safe space for you to emotionally prepare a response to my many "micro aggression's" that will not end with you calling me a racist, bigot and/or white privileged male aged between 20 and 50.


Art Programs?

We'll go ahead and mark you down for "against funding after school programs". Fair enough?

I suppose if I told you guys I know people who greatly benefited from public school funding and social programs, you'd yell at me and call me names. I'm actually afraid to do it. The level of anger toward those things is intimidating. It's as if some people hate welfare as much as terrorism. Are they both the same? Assholes shooting hundreds of people at a restaurant the same as collecting a check that provides just enough to live in a crappy apartment? Same thing? Really?

You forgot the 18 year olds "majority " n their welfare queens .

I'll bet anything Sauce has either been on welfare, or someone close to him has. Always the case with these guys.

Thanks. No, never worked with gangs like that. I just grew up in and around it all and always liked to observe my surroundings. Took an interest in gangs at an early age, and I looked up to my dad and uncles, so it made it even more interesting.
Sort of became a hobby of mine to start researching more on my own too. It's been a lifelong thing for me trying to keep digging deeper into it all.

I know people that benefited from school programs too. Doesn't justify the entire thing.

alot of stuff works, for some. The question should be what works the best?

And yeah I probably do hate welfare as much as terrorism, seeing the destruction it caused is pretty devastating to so many people.

The welfare state has created so much single motherhood, so much dependency on the government system, and dysfunction in the traditional family structure.

But you're making a bad comparison by comparing a welfare recipient to a terrorist shooting people up. Well I can only speak for myself here. I don't hate any individual simply for being on welfare, I just hate the system itself and everything it stands for.

Politicians don't give a Fuck about poor people or minorities. They see us as their pet victims that they can bribe with free shit, crumbs they steal from tax payers and skim a bunch off to top which goes to bureaucracy.
I'm Mexican, I'd rather saw my own limbs off than vote for some democrat politician. But that's what we're brainwashed from day one to do.

The public school system makes me feel cheated. 13 years of my life I can't get back. Didn't learn shit, except a few statist propaganda history lessons.
It doesn't prepare you for the real world or the job market, not really when you think about it. And what's the typical response?? The schools need more funding ! Lol
Nah they need competition, they need kids to be free to be kids. Kids naturally want to learn shit that they're interesting in.. But force them to sit in a class for several hours per day and hear about shit they don't care about or even need to know about?? It's a scam.
It works for some but not for everyone. And for the majority of people where I come from, it doesn't work at all. It was mostly designed to create obedient little workers bees back in the 1800s. It's time to get away from that mentality.

Schools are just mini prisons, you're forced to show up, told when to break and eat and when you can leave. Gangs easily spread like wildfire as do drugs. Bullying, peer pressure, all this uneccsary shit.

I just hate any one size fits all approach. I'm humble enough to know that I don't have all the answers, and different people have different needs. That's my beef with government programs and throwing tax money at problems. It's just one hammer that sees everything as a nail.

Where'd you get your learnin', SoCal? You seem well read. Any college?

Barack Obama was raised by a single mother.

He graduated from Columbia and Harvard, eventually became president.

I tried college for a semester and hated it and left. Always hated school, still do.

All the stuff I learned is just from my own researching and thinking on subjects I'm passionate about.

He's one guy and exceptions don't change the rule.

And he's a politician, not something to brag about in my book.

But I'm not very conventional to say the least.

You learned how to write that good on your own? You must have a high IQ. Did the homies give you a hard time for that growing up?

My point on Obama being, he was raised by a single mother and he's not some kind of gang banger. You can give him that much, can't ya? Never mind graduating from two Ivy League schools and becoming president. He's not out there robbing people, which is impressive considering he had no dominant macho man role model to teach him how to be a manly man, or whatever.

I inherited a lot from my father. He's a pretty smart guy, yet even he fell into gang life at a young age. While most gang members aren't super bright, I've always noticed every hood has its intelligent members. It's always fascinated me how some intelligent people would choose the lifestyle.
My writing and stuff is just from years of posting on forums and feeling inadequate among people that were more articulate with their posts and being able to express themselves.
Net banging gets old fast and I quickly realized ideas are more powerful than shit talking and threats.
Nobody's ever given me a hard time for being ( what I consider to be) a thinker. Some people love it and others I just keep my thoughts to a minimum simply because it bores certain people. Atleast in person. The Internet is a different story.

Yeah I get what you're saying about Obama.

A lot of people can do fine without a father. But a lot more struggle. Obama had the intelligence to break through but not everyone is that fortunate.
There's an anger and bitterness in so many people that grow up without their father. Then there's the over compensation of hyper masculinity that comes with it. Where you end up looking up to the wrong men in the neighborhood. Thinking its manly to solve problems with violence and all that, instead of being shown a version of manliness that means good work ethic, healthy assertiveness, putting family first and being honest.

I also knew a lot of people growing up that were raised by single mothers, and they're doing fine. I grew up in a middle class suburb. So, environment and quality of public schools could have something to do with it. We all went to public schools, btw.

I'm talking about the culture within the criminal groups in Mexico vs the U.S, Italy and maybe Colombia. I'm talking about the culture within Los Zetas and Gulf Cartel, both Los Zetas and Gulf Cartel have this paramilitary/police culture of shooting it out with the Mexican Army/Marines when their bosses or captains etc. are about to get captured. Sinaloa didn't do this nor the Cali or Medellin cartel, I'm talking about criminals openly shooting it out with the authorities/army like with Coke did in Jamaica where 80 of his soldiers died in open shootouts with the police. This type of suicide mentality rarely occurs in the U.S within gangs and even in other countries were organized crime groups are very powerful. How many people died for Escobar in a shootout with the police in effort to rescue him or Tito Riina. Mobsters in Italy weren't shooting it out in the open streets riding in bullet proof trucks shooting at each other and the authorities or even made an effort to rescue their bosses like Los Zetas and Gulf Cartel routinely does. Both Los Zetas and Gulf Cartel call the guys call their sicarios that shoot it out with army "escolatas suicidas" or suicide squads because they know they are going to die in their mission to rescue their boss. Being a victim of a murder while being in a gang doesn't necessarily they died for their gang. Because they didn't chose to die. Is like me comparing the murders of halcones "lookouts" by sicarios with the suicide squads of the Gulf Cartel and Los Zetas as being the same or at the same level. How you been to Mexico? If you have you will see the army and would shit your pants thinking the Gulf Cartel or Los Zetas go in shootouts with them.

Yes I am aware of Zambada's testimony but the whole cartel Balkinization is an overstatement. Most of the cartel fragmenting has occurred in the southern states in Mexico where the cartels historically haven't had a foothold. In the northern states the major players are still active and are responsible for the majority of the drug trafficking into the United States. I personally think the major cartels will fragment into regional cartels but there will still be players involved in intercontinental drug trafficking like in Colombia. The "end" of the Medellin and Cali Cartels didn't prevent from new organization from rising from the ashes to drug traffick into the European markets same thing will happen to the Mexican cartels.

Also nobody in Mexico views Chapo as a hero, it's actually the contrary.

Now THAT my man is a good post, informative and gives us an idea of what's going on on the ground over there, cause you can't completely depend on the media.

We got guys from NY, Jersey, Boston, Philly, Furio from Naples, I think? Real good posters and contributors, you could keep the boards enlightened on Mexico like BlackFam does with the street gangs, you might be underestimating your potential contributions to the board......

The mexicans are looked at as being garbage by everyone. The mexicans are basically low lives, unsophisticated, and dirty; that includes the chicano gangs.
The colombians on the other hand are much more sophisticated and actually worked with other LCN groups. The colombians are also more educated than mexicans.
The mexicans are better to deal with than blacks but still are looked at as scum.
In fact, most mexicans are very ugly people and unsophisticated. Just look at how the mexicans live. You ever see a nice mexican neighborhood? They dont exist. They kind of live like animals. Again, a tad better than the blacks though.
The mexicans are no doubt an inferior race, there is no disputing that.

Clown.

LMAO This shit is funny!

I don't know what to say to all that!