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Re: Jackie Robinson doc. on Pbs
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thought it was well done, more factual than the movie 42/
robinson went through a lot, and he should be revered by young black players, after all, he did open the door for them.
however burns should have brought to light the real reason
that blacks were excluded from M.L. ball, one man would never
let them in, kenesaw mountain landis, an ex kkk from Georgia
who was baseballs commissioner.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: Jackie Robinson doc. on Pbs
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yes, mark- his military experience seems to be not very much discussed when he was playing ball.
however as the pressure was building on him game after game,
he came through, by playing great baseball, the man was extraordinary, and really deserves to be celebrated by all black players.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: Jackie Robinson doc. on Pbs
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however burns should have brought to light the real reason
that blacks were excluded from M.L. ball, one man would never
let them in, kenesaw mountain landis, an ex kkk from Georgia
who was baseballs commissioner. There were a handful of black players in Organized Baseball in the 1800s. The color bar dropped on them when Judge Landis was a very young man who had nothing to do with baseball. Football got organized into a good league 50 years after baseball, and they put down their own color bar. Before Landis there was a player named Cap Anson who was blamed for barring black players, but that's only because people are always searching for villains. There were thousands of people sharing responsibility for this, just as millions were responsible for segregation in the country at large.
"All of these men were good listeners; patient men."
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Re: Jackie Robinson doc. on Pbs
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MP,
I'm sure you know more about the sport than I do, but what Binnie wrote seems to be the truth. Namely that as the first commissioner of baseball,Landis had ultimate power to lift or continue the gentleman's agreement among the owners to not allow American Black players.
Shortly after he passed away, Rickey and the Dodgers brought up Jackie Robinson.
I do hear your point about not scapegoating one person, but it seems as though if there was one person who had control over the issue it was Landis. yes. gets, he could have paved the way towards integration but he was kkk, and should never have been commissioner of baseball he was a hateful spiteful man, who banned some players of the Chicago white for life,and yet, let ty cobb get away with a mans murder, among other of cobbs shameless doings, cobb was from Georgia like landis. and always got a pass,the man definitely was never going to let a black in baseball, he was the one standing in the way,
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: Jackie Robinson doc. on Pbs
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I am a member of the society of American bb research, and have a library of bb books, let me remind you that stumps account comes from ty cobb himself, also, cobb was very much disliked by major league bb players, also.. he more than once went in the stands and beat spectators,, as to 1912, at that time records were sketchy if even reported at all.
Roberts never had the soures that al stump had.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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