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Re: Whos more Active? Chicago or Detroit or New Eng [Re: carminezazzi] #880369
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Don't forget Rob Bellavia's son. I think Rudy Bellavia is his name

Re: Whos more Active? Chicago or Detroit or New Eng [Re: slick] #880380
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Originally Posted By: slick
Sorry bout the previous post left it up and came back and hit send. So I'll repost here.


Snakes is spot on. Here is a list of Italian guys under 60 who have been arrested or implicated in Outfit related things. Some might even be made we don't know, some may not still be involved. There may also be more this is just a list I made.( some ages may be within a year.) 60 and under|

Robert Panozzo Jr.-23, Nicholas Ruggio-32, Nicholas Rada-33, Andrew Rovito-34, Frank Caruso Jr.-34, Dominic Poeta-35, Diomede Cardone-36, Nicholas Ferriola-40,
John Rainone-40, Joseph Cortesi-42, John 'GIGI' Rovito-42, Sam Amabile-43, Joseph Natalizio-43, Christopher Giuliano- 45, Anthony Quaranta-45, Chris Marcotte-45,
Mimmo DiDiana-46, Victor Roa-46, Mike Spano Jr.-46, Vincent Basso-46, Vincent Forliano-46, Paul Carparelli-46, Dino Vitalo-46, Vincent Saviano-47, Anthony Buttitta-47,
Frank Orlando-48, Joe Abate-49, Thomas Giuliano-49, John Daddano-52, Nicholas Maggio-51, Mark Guidi-51, Anthony Giannone-52, Ronald Derosa-52,
Mark Provenzano-52,Luigi Sardone-53, Vito LoCasio-53, Anthony LoCasio-?Vito's son, Charles Marzano-53, Joseph Mangiamele-53, Salvatore"sam" Galioto-53, Paul Messino-53, John Galioto-54, Anthony Volpendesto-54, Peter Volpe-55, Robert Panozzo-55, Charles Romano-55, Tommaso Lappo-56, Chris Messino-56, Nicholas Catuadella-56,
Anthony Maggio-56, Sam Ranola-56, Robert Dinella-56, Angelo Cassano-56, Joseph Bonavolante-56, Dino Marino-57,Rocco LaMantia-57, Phil Cozzo-56*DEAD, Louis Capuzi-57, Lawrence Calderone-58, Michael Raguso-58, William Daddano lll-58, Jack Cozzi-59, John Balzano-59, Pietro LaBalstera-59, Vito Salamone-60, Robert Abbinanti-60,
Mike Zitello-60, Robert Covone-60, Terry Scalise-60, Salvatore 'Sam' Destefano-60




Good list. But why the last knowed induction ceremony is from 1989 ? The Outfit changed or abolisce the ceremony so if a man is called in a sit down and the Outfit guys say him "now you will stay with us" and thats all ?

Re: Whos more Active? Chicago or Detroit or New Eng [Re: carminezazzi] #880385
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Nobody involved in any ceremonies since have cooperated. Also, I would imagine that the FBI knows about more but if they don't have a reason to divulge information on any of them then they won't.


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Re: Whos more Active? Chicago or Detroit or New Eng [Re: carminezazzi] #880386
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Chucky Bellavia is the son

Re: Whos more Active? Chicago or Detroit or New Eng [Re: carminezazzi] #880397
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Yes Chucky is his son I just didn't know his age. There are some names I didn't include that I thought could be under 60 but wasn't sure like: Joey and James Bastone, August Monteleone, Steve Torello, Anthony LoCoco, Daniel,Paul and Phil Balzano, Peter Frigo, Mark Spano, and James Glimco.

I don't know what Phil died from, here is his obit.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/chicagotribune/obituary.aspx?pid=174989577

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Re: Whos more Active? Chicago or Detroit or New Eng [Re: carminezazzi] #880403
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Chucky's in his mid-forties. Joey and James are in their early fifties.


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Re: Whos more Active? Chicago or Detroit or New Eng [Re: cookcounty] #880478
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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
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so that list of known outfit guys ain't enough for u to believe they have a recruiting pool?

plus the recent indictmdents


They have a significantly shrunken recruiting pool. You do realize most of those guys aren't made right? They would be accounted for among the "a little over 100" associates mentioned by the feds. And I'm aware of the recent indictments. But not what your point is.


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Re: Whos more Active? Chicago or Detroit or New Eng [Re: carminezazzi] #880482
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This is actually one of things most repeated that I have always found confusing.... What exactly made the recruiting pool shrink?

Because doesn't Chicago still have the third largest concentration of Italians? I get confused cause people talk like they all moved away. And on top of that, a LOT Italians have a lot of prominent positions in the city and state structure.

Re: Whos more Active? Chicago or Detroit or New Eng [Re: IvyLeague] #880553
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: cookcounty
@ivyleague

so that list of known outfit guys ain't enough for u to believe they have a recruiting pool?

plus the recent indictmdents


They have a significantly shrunken recruiting pool. You do realize most of those guys aren't made right? They would be accounted for among the "a little over 100" associates mentioned by the feds. And I'm aware of the recent indictments. But not what your point is.



How did the recruiting pool shrink ivy?

The Italians haven't moved away

Re: Whos more Active? Chicago or Detroit or New Eng [Re: CabriniGreen] #880560
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Originally Posted By: CabriniGreen
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This is actually one of things most repeated that I have always found confusing.... What exactly made the recruiting pool shrink?

Because doesn't Chicago still have the third largest concentration of Italians? I get confused cause people talk like they all moved away. And on top of that, a LOT Italians have a lot of prominent positions in the city and state structure.


It's not because Italians have moved away but simply because less of them are getting involved in the mob life. That's what it means when we talk about Italian Americans assimilating into mainstream society. This leads to attrition in the mob in terms of both quantity and quality. And it explains why the Outfit has significantly less size and scope than it once did.


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Re: Whos more Active? Chicago or Detroit or New Eng [Re: carminezazzi] #880648
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@ivyleague

If giancana had around 60 made guys then 30 ain't a bad number nowadays. And as far as scope, if a mobbed up company can get contracts to clean ohare airport and Chicago public schools then they have a decent size scope

Re: Whos more Active? Chicago or Detroit or New Eng [Re: cookcounty] #880650
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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
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If giancana had around 60 made guys then 30 ain't a bad number nowadays. And as far as scope, if a mobbed up company can get contracts to clean ohare airport and Chicago public schools then they have a decent size scope


Where did you get the 60 members under Giancana from?

And yes, the Outfit is still involved in getting public contracts. But the point was its diminished scope compared to the past. And it's come from, first, attrition, and second, law enforcement.


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