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Can Republican Party be Mainstream again?? #879858
03/30/16 09:19 PM
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So I'm English but American politics is fascinating to follow, I try to be objective, Iv'e liked Presidents from both the Democrats and Republicans. I would love feedback from Americans on here on what might be happening to the Republican party and how they may go into a severe decline.
Firstly I just cannot see Cruz or Trump being President, Cruz is hated by even his own party and far too conservative for moderate people. Trump would get destroyed in an election, and its not that Hilary is that good, Trump is loved by many but detested by a lot more.
So if this happens it will be 12 years since a Republican won the White house, and if she got another term 16 years of Democrats. Despite many thinking Obama's first term was poor he still comfortably won in 2012 which shocked many Republicans. How can they break this cycle?
A problem I see for them is generally society in the West is getting more and more liberal whether people like it or not, gay marriage, abortion, views on guns etc. However the candidates running for office this year from the Republican side were very conservative on abortion, 2nd Ammendement, Immigration, gay marriage etc. I could imagine if one of those running said they wanted tougher gun laws they would get ridiculed at the GOP debates.
It seems there caught between trying to win primaries, which means having to pander to Evangelicals,interest groups like the NRA and having to have very strong views on abortion, guns etc but then after that process having to then appeal to the general population.
How are they going to win a Presidency in the near future if they don't adapt to the modern climate? All these candidates are always citing Reagan as an inspiration to them yet they are far more conservative than him.
Could we see candidates in the future who do away with social conservatism and be pro-life?, not attempting to stop gay marriage and agree to some gun control?
Also just a side note, in all the interviews and debates from the Republicans this election they have never once said anything positive about trying to help the environment, cut emissions etc, which again is important to many. I know some would say changing there stances drastically would mean there liberals but are they going to have to make concessions?
But what do you guys think? whats the future? Where do they go from here?

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Despite what the media makes it sound like, mainstream America isn't going anti gun and doesn't care that much about cutting emissions and all that. That isn't why the Republican Party is declining. By the way, you ask about agreeing to "some gun control" as if there is no gun control or as if the Republican Party is against any type of gun control at all when there's lots of gun control and laws, there's just no gun ban.

Part of the problem is the religious element, yeah social conservatism, their position on gay marriage and abortion is a huge turn off, especially with younger generations. So it'll be hard to take them serious because of this. But this will work itself out over time after the older generations die off.

The real issues that drive people to vote for either party comes down to money. The economy and how people perceive republicans and conservatism.
Even though Republicans don't cut spending or welfare when they gain power, the perception is that they will, and the democrats can easily pander to the poor with promising to expand welfare benefits. The more people subsidized by the government, the bigger loyal and permanent voting base they will continue to have. More government spending means less resources going towards private investment and more towards politically driven projects. WhicH further harms the economy and now more people become dependent on the state.
Trust me. Tweaking a few things on gun control and environmental talk will change NOTHING.

There's no fixing the Republican Party. The house of cards has to collapse first.

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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again?? [Re: NickyScarfo] #880037
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The young are dumb and naive and they tend to vote that way.


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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again?? [Re: NickyScarfo] #880043
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Single people have a history of getting very little from the government in tax benefits. So a lot don't vote their parents vote.

If they don't start voting young they might be doing other things to even think about voting.

College kids are led by their teachers to vote liberal. Because they were never taught to think for themselves they can be led by them like sheep.

When my parents were born things were not always good. But no one took money from the government because their was a stigma if someone took it.

No more now.


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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again?? [Re: NickyScarfo] #880044
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Both parties are dying, its just that they still have a strong strangled hold on the government. That is why you see independent and other party members join one of the two to get votes for a major election they want the office to. Parker and currently Sanders who was an independent but became a democratic to get the votes. Davis and Williams who was an American Independent Party member but became a republican to get the votes. There are other parties out there that win local, county, district, or even a State election here and there, but when it comes to the National Election, it is hard for them to win. That might not be the case for the other parties in the next decade or two.
Everyone is waiting for both parties to fall so they can rebuild them, but the fact is that these parties have fallen before and flipped on there past issues. The Deep South is a testament to this, as in the views switched parties.
Best President who was a Republican was Eisenhower, but he would be too liberal for that party today.
Best President who was a Democrat was FDR, but he would be too conservative for that party today.
It is a funny thing. Both parties live in their own bubbles. Just keep an open mind when listening to the media cause Fox and NBC are two of the biased network's out there in the United States.


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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again?? [Re: NickyScarfo] #880062
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Sanders this past month got 40 million in donations. Does anyone believe these donations were all under 50 dollars.

He is lying if he says they are.


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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again?? [Re: NickyScarfo] #880063
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If I was running for president I would take donations from everyone.

Then I would keep the overage and do favors for no one.


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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again?? [Re: NickyScarfo] #880197
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foots, at least you are honest, glaq you are not running.



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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again?? [Re: SoCalGangs] #880198
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Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
Despite what the media makes it sound like, mainstream America isn't going anti gun and doesn't care that much about cutting emissions and all that. That isn't why the Republican Party is declining. By the way, you ask about agreeing to "some gun control" as if there is no gun control or as if the Republican Party is against any type of gun control at all when there's lots of gun control and laws, there's just no gun ban.

Part of the problem is the religious element, yeah social conservatism, their position on gay marriage and abortion is a huge turn off, especially with younger generations. So it'll be hard to take them serious because of this. But this will work itself out over time after the older generations die off.

The real issues that drive people to vote for either party comes down to money. The economy and how people perceive republicans and conservatism.
Even though Republicans don't cut spending or welfare when they gain power, the perception is that they will, and the democrats can easily pander to the poor with promising to expand welfare benefits. The more people subsidized by the government, the bigger loyal and permanent voting base they will continue to have. More government spending means less resources going towards private investment and more towards politically driven projects. WhicH further harms the economy and now more people become dependent on the state.
Trust me. Tweaking a few things on gun control and environmental talk will change NOTHING.

There's no fixing the Republican Party. The house of cards has to collapse first.


you are absolutely right, and it will collapse sooner than later.



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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again?? [Re: IvyLeague] #880199
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The young are dumb and naive and they tend to vote that way.

the young aren't voting for trump, they have more common sense than that.

the young aren't responsible for the mess in the republican party. why blame them.



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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again?? [Re: NickyScarfo] #880201
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The following is a paraphrase of Reince Priebus (Republican Party Chair) analysis of the Republican Party's report on itself soon after its 2012 Presidential election loss:

"Priebus noted that the party's policies are fundamentally sound but require a softer tone and broader outreach, [to] include a stronger push for African-American, Latino, Asian, women and gay voters."


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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again?? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #880244
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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The young are dumb and naive and they tend to vote that way.

the young aren't voting for trump, they have more common sense than that.

the young aren't responsible for the mess in the republican party. why blame them.


I'm not necessarily saying they need to vote for Trump. But many of the young voted for Obama. And those same idiots will be voting for Hillary or Bernie. So, yes, I am blaming them. The increasingly secular 18-35 year olds who actually believe abortion and gay marriage are Constitutional "rights," who believe everything their liberal professors in college tell them, and who look to Western Europe as a model for society. They make me sick.


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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again?? [Re: NickyScarfo] #880356
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only an idiot is going to vote for donald trump

he's been making himself a joke for the last 30 years, why should he be president

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Cook county only a homosexual will vote for Hillary. Want to keep answering that way?


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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again?? [Re: NickyScarfo] #880370
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Has anyone else other then Thrump created any jobs in the private sector?

All the other bozo's used their position in the government to make money for themselves and their friends.

It is still about the economy.


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what about the middle class what did Obama do for them?


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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again?? [Re: NickyScarfo] #880372
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Hey at least Obama gave people all those shovel ready jobs he get talking about.

The great electric car company.

If you like your health care you can keep it.

Who on here is actually on Obama care.

Obama brought people together.


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What did Obama do for black people outside of putting a lot of them on welfair.


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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again?? [Re: IvyLeague] #880471
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The young are dumb and naive and they tend to vote that way.

the young aren't voting for trump, they have more common sense than that.

the young aren't responsible for the mess in the republican party. why blame them.


I'm not necessarily saying they need to vote for Trump. But many of the young voted for Obama. And those same idiots will be voting for Hillary or Bernie. So, yes, I am blaming them. The increasingly secular 18-35 year olds who actually believe abortion and gay marriage are Constitutional "rights," who believe everything their liberal professors in college tell them, and who look to Western Europe as a model for society. They make me sick.


well, the age group you are talking about, abortion has been the law for forty years. gay marriage is different, I oppose it because of religious, and moral grounds.

ive been to college,and most liberal professors do want to influence young people, I think that is very wrong.

but the young currently, are turning out en masse for sanders.
because they want someone with different ideas, someone who will not cater to the rich lobbyists.



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They are for the socialist/ because they think they can get free college. He can not get them anything. He can't help them get a job. He can't do shit. He can't keep the country safe either.

So what can Bernie do for them? What did Obama do for them?

Their parents probably told them about a happening.


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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
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only an idiot is going to vote for donald trump

he's been making himself a joke for the last 30 years, why should he be president


I have my reservations about him as well. But he's certainly the lesser evil compared to Hillary or Bernie.


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It is a very mainstream party.

GOP had sweeping victories in last two midterms.

They are an underdog but not irrelevant.

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Originally Posted By: Boss_of_Knickerbocker
It is a very mainstream party.

GOP had sweeping victories in last two midterms.

They are an underdog but not irrelevant.


that was then, this is now, the 2016 elections coming up,

will give the democrats the senate, and major gains in the house. plus a president. any party that a man like Donald trump can take over, has no chance in a presidential election

he cant get the black vote, the Hispanic vote, the womens vote, big numbers in minority voters, the republicans will get crushed, and they cant stop it.



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What has the Democrates got the black and Hispanics other then welfair?

Women will get what?

They will take away your legal guns.

I can't wait to see that. When the deficient reaches 24 trillion they won't get shit.

Crime will go way down under the Democrates. smile they offer nothing good man.


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Originally Posted By: Boss_of_Knickerbocker

GOP had sweeping victories in last two midterms


US midterms trend that way historically for close to the past hundred years, the incumbent president's party loses seats.


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Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: Boss_of_Knickerbocker

GOP had sweeping victories in last two midterms


US midterms trend that way historically for close to the past hundred years, the incumbent president's party loses seats.


Yep. Goes all the way back to Teddy. Two big ones were Johnson in the 60s, and Bush in 04'.


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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Boss_of_Knickerbocker
It is a very mainstream party.

GOP had sweeping victories in last two midterms.

They are an underdog but not irrelevant.


that was then, this is now, the 2016 elections coming up,

will give the democrats the senate, and major gains in the house. plus a president. any party that a man like Donald trump can take over, has no chance in a presidential election

he cant get the black vote, the Hispanic vote, the womens vote, big numbers in minority voters, the republicans will get crushed, and they cant stop it.


whites are starting to wake up. To become more self-aware in the face of #blm, the hostile campus environment, Islamic terrorism, etc.........

Those segments of society turned out big time for Obama. Their numbers will drop without a black candidate. Especially in places like Florida and and Virginia where the black and Latino vote matters most.

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Originally Posted By: helenwheels
Originally Posted By: Boss_of_Knickerbocker

GOP had sweeping victories in last two midterms


US midterms trend that way historically for close to the past hundred years, the incumbent president's party loses seats.


Therefore the GOP ain't dead as implied in the OP.

It still has a mainstream following.

On my end it's stuff like New Haven Firefighters case, or the e-harmony lawsuit or #blm behavior that makes me self-aware and vote Republican.

I actually support abortion, want to close tax loopholes for the rich.

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closing tax loopholes for the rich may be impossible, since they own congress--- great idea, how about this one.

everybody pay 10% no deductions, 10% for the whole country.

can that work, doubtful, because then congress would not have anything to sell. and all the lobbyists would be out of work.



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"Closing loopholes" also known as ......the government gets to steal more money from its citizens.

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