Why is it necessary to attack people in such a personal manner? This is a thread about the current status of the NY mob, not Mormonism. I'm not a Mormon, but I think most of us can agree that Ivy is a phenomenal researcher and truly a valuable asset to this forum. He knows his stuff. What is so threatening about that?

Because I have friends and colleagues who have gone through the adoption process and have heard what the Mormon cult, I mean religion did to some of these out of wedlock mothers- some who were only 12 years old! If you heard the stories I heard from friends/colleagues who have gone through adoption process you would have the same opinion...

Sorry for standing up for pregnant teenage moms who get emotionally and verbally abused in that cult, my apologies....

Anyways I'm done, I apologize to the board and am sorry for taking this conversation off topic. I'm done with my rant, I literally just two weeks ago had a work colleague of mine come back from flying out to Utah for the adoption process and I've been sick to my stomach after he flew back and told me what he saw/heard there, I'm done!

I have a particular disdain for Thor Equities, as do a great many people in Queens and Brooklyn. Bloomberg called the owner, Joe Sitt, and "extortionist" over the Coney Island deal.

Considering Sitt is from Bensonhurst, I am wondering about a possible mob link....

A Catholic(or any other cult) talking down to a Mormon is rich. Ill say it again:

Take the log out of your eye before to try you remove the splinter from someone else's.

In other words, research your own cults true history and try to fix it before you call someone else out on the problems with their cult.

No one in this world in innocent.

No not Thor

I had no intention of this turning into some riddle, apologies . It's legit construction work so I wouldn't worry about missing some big inside scoop or something as your not . my posts really don't deserve any attention

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons#Groups_within_Mormonism

There are so many different types of Mormonism, from very strict and bigamous to very moderate, like with every type of religion there are a lot a differences. That's the only thing I'm gonna say about it because the thread is kinda derailing..

OK, just one more thing, those Mormon missionaries over here in Holland are the sweetest people, I had a couple of conversations with them. One in Amsterdam maybe 10 years ago and one over here in the south half a year ago, very friendly and polite, although a bit unworldly. Funny thing is that they call themselves Elders, when a lot of them aren't even 20 years old LOL

Maybe you should get your facts straight before going on a rant. The LDS church is no more responsible for the actual cultish break offs from us (think scumbags like Warren Jeffs) than the Catholic church is for what some Protestant churches do.

Anyway, you've wasted enough of this thread with your BS. Back to the mob...

I thought everyone was joking when they say Ivy is a mormon brilliant.

It's pretty common knowledge on the forums at this point. It's what I get for being honest about my background - something many on these forums haven't been. Not that it has to do with anything. But there's always been certain people who bring it up and try to use it as an insult because they're butt hurt about something and have no other card to play.

At least you finally admitted you're in the cult I long suspected that you belonged to....

For what it's worth , anyone I ever met that was from Utah was Mormon so I always just figured Utah=Mormon, coming from a melting pot like NYC Metropolitan area I couldn't even fathom having everyone being the same around me, this isn't an insult to u Ivy. What's that like? Seriously, to have everyone the same, I will admit u guys have a ton of good looking blondes LOL

The "cult" accusation gets thrown at us a lot. It's what people have heard and they simply regurgitate it. Try looking up the definition of a cult sometime. It doesn't apply to the LDS Church. Though it certainly does apply to some apostate groups that broke off a LONG time ago. Groups like the one led by Warren Jeffs, who is currently in prison. Some of those groups are also in Utah but also in other places. You would also do well to remember that the term "cult" could technically be applied to Christ and His followers during His 3 year mortal ministry.

All that said, even if I was the Grand Poobah of whatever cult to you want to name, what does that have to do with the mob?

Absolutely nothing, I am seriously curious as to what it's like to live in Utah with everyone being the same cookie cutter? I'm curious coming from where I come from with 100+ languages spoken and people from every single country on the globe (NYC Metro area) Ivy this is my olive branch and also my curiosity more than anything...

I'm not sure it's as cookie cutter as you may think, though compared to NYC it is. People may look at Utah as bland and boring. My response is always, "Yeah, the low cost of living, relatively low crime rate, lack of constant air pollution and traffic jams, and general absence of liberal politics really sucks."

I will never understand the hate thrown on Ivy on these forums. The guy is an encyclopedia when it comes to LCN and chooses to base it on facts that he reads, researches and vets out. He doesn't know LCN members nor does he claim to. He always backs up his position with facts and has a standard to what he believes is the truth or not. I actually don't always agree with what he says because I do believe there is a street element out there that isn't always corroborated and has to be taken into account if it seems legit but why the hate? Ivy is by far one of the more respectful, classy and knowledgable posters even if he is stubborn.

Well thank you.

Though, as I've said many times, I actually don't discount the street element you're referring to. I just prioritize sources and what you're taking about doesn't hold the most credibility with me. But that doesn't mean I ignore it. There are posters who I'm often fine with taking what they say at face value as long as it doesn't contradict other sources I consider more credible and consistent. And, as I recently said in a similar discussion on another board, that's usually put me on the right side of things in the nearly 10 years I've been on these forums.

Sorry if I sound like a broken record but I seem to have to point this stuff out every few months or so.

You are probably right, but according to former FBI agent Joachim Garcia, the Bureau must take resources away from mafia surveillance to pay more attention to things like terrorism. And right now, terrorism is a big concern. Has anyone seen all of the US Soldiers posted in Penn Station lately?

So this gives the mafia a chance to lay low, get out of the media limelight, build networks, make some money, and time to commit enough crimes to be busted in the next massive sweep.

The FBI will revisit them. Just give them some time.

FBI here in Jersey/NYC is mainly focusing on terrorism, government corruption, and white collar crimes. You will have the county prosecutors office busting up gambling rings from time to time still, I feel like personally it's to grab headlines and make themselves feel important...

I could never live away from the beach and around that many blonde haired, blue eyed people....

Gang violence and Mexican cartel has surpassed LCN as an FBI NY/NJ priority .

Gangs have become a prime focus for FBI in the last few years - as it should be . Cyber and foreign trade theft are sapping resources too that are newer issues

No bodies and guys are probably earning and happy compared to years back

Mmm I'm not sure. From what I've read in recent years, Transnational Organized Crime as a whole has become a higher OC priority than LCN. But not one single group is a bigger priority than the LCN within the NY metro area. Even the Mexican cartels, though that could be due to them being more a DEA target than the FBI. It was only a few years ago that the FBI was saying the LCN was still their top OC priority in the New England region so it would likely not be any less in New York/New Jersey. The only places where I've seen it reported other groups have become one bigger priority in recent years were Eurasian and Asian groups in Las Vegas and Eurasian (specifically Russian) in Miami. Both were reported in 2011. Gangs have become a higher priority. We saw that when the Justice Department when it combined it's Organized Crime and Gang sections in 2010.

Honestly I don't know , just going by what I was told

Outside terrorism - Gang violence , heroin trafficking and cyber crime have loads of people working on it today

Gaining strength? The Genovese, Gambino & Lucchese families for sure. it seems they're in the best shape they've been since the mid late 90's. Yes LE have backed off significantly but it's no wonder them 3 families are thriving at the minute, they have very capable leaders, from the capo's to the admin, you can't say the same about the Colombo & Bonanno families, they're a mess.

@ IVY L.

Bit of unwarranted religious hatred thrown your way , can't be anything you've written in this thread.

Anyhow, so approx. 30/ 50 FBI or police are investigating NYC LCN. How many ' cases' /indictments are made in a year say 2014 ? Are majority historic/ past crimes like Asaro ?

Thnx

Quit being a fucking dick. Don't try to hide the fact you are being a dick with "your curiosity bullshit". Your being a dick and since your being called out for it your trying to save face, so why don't you just stop.

Last I read it was a max of 35 agents between the 2 squads. The Luccheses had 5 agents investigating them in 2014.

I don't think one necessarily gets a good picture of things looking at a single year as indictments are cyclical and you have lulls at times. It's why I've kept a list of every case I can find since 2000. Being able to look at cases over a 10 or 15 year sample helps one get a better idea of general trends and helps you remember things those who just recall the last headline dont.

No, the majority aren't past crimes though those distant charges are often found in mob indictments. An essential element of building a RICO case is showing an ongoing pattern of crime over an extended period of time. Often the government is able to include crimes that go back years and add those to present day crimes, which serves to show a continuing criminal enterprise.

steadily putting things together all 6 families

So all the families have been making new members then?

Yes, on a fairly regular basis. They have to in order to replace guys who die, which also happens fairly regularly. For example, in terms of just what we know, the Colombos had ceremonies in 2000, 2004, 2007, 2009, and 2011. I'm sure there were others during that time and since then.