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Re: Why LCN never wiped Rudaj family off the map?
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In Norway we have the same. Albanians running into Illegal Casinos with shotguns. The Pakistani Mafia eventually won the war, which was the bloodiest Nordic-gang war since the Hells Angels and Bandidos thing back in the 90s. Alot of houses and clubs blew up.
Btw, can you link me the documentary?
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Re: Why LCN never wiped Rudaj family off the map?
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ItalianIrishMix, is the documentary you watched from the series "Gangsters: America's most evil" by chance? I am desperately searching where to download or watch this laterst 3rd season, but can't find it anywhere, nor for free nor for sale. Do you have these episodes, if you do could you put them online please? Tried Piratebay?
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Re: Why LCN never wiped Rudaj family off the map?
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ItalianIrishMix, is the documentary you watched from the series "Gangsters: America's most evil" by chance? I am desperately searching where to download or watch this laterst 3rd season, but can't find it anywhere, nor for free nor for sale. Do you have these episodes, if you do could you put them online please? Tried Piratebay? Yes but there is only the 1st season. On filefactory, there is also the 2nd. But the 3rd isn't available anywhere.
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Re: Why LCN never wiped Rudaj family off the map?
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I can Imagine it's who they messed with. I haven't seen the documentary but I've read somewhere that they tried to kill John Gotti. Now maybe, even in the Gotti era they didn't want another war with the Colombos jerking around. I don't know if they ever did, but if the albanians messed with the Colombos they probably wouldn't hesitate to whack them all out at the time. Today, war is too costly. They don't make money during the war, and they will get so much attention it will be hard to make money at all for a time afterwards, plus if they kill off 20 guys during a war maybe 40 of them will be indicted and 5-10 of those will become government informants.
The Rudaj didnt survive too long with the high-speed car chases where the alleged ''boss'' of the gang was shooting at Guy Peduto from the sunroof while engaged in a chase.
22 people was indicted and that was the hole organization. I just read at wiki (which confirms what I read in an article) that Rudaj showed up with 20 thugs to get Gotti. If those thugs was working for him he risked his entire crew. It's all very Sons of Anarchy, like the episode where that Chinese gangster showed up with his hole crew and they all got taken down by the cops for Gun and Heroin charges.
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Re: Why LCN never wiped Rudaj family off the map?
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ItalianIrishMix, is the documentary you watched from the series "Gangsters: America's most evil" by chance? I am desperately searching where to download or watch this laterst 3rd season, but can't find it anywhere, nor for free nor for sale. Do you have these episodes, if you do could you put them online please? Tried Piratebay? Yes but there is only the 1st season. On filefactory, there is also the 2nd. But the 3rd isn't available anywhere. Maybe It hasn't been pirated yet? How new is it?
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Re: Why LCN never wiped Rudaj family off the map?
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This is something I found on the Rudaj Organization, do you believe this?  During a bail hearing for one of the two dozen people arrested in the case, Assistant U.S. Attorney Timothy Treanor said that the Albanian mob had taken over the operations of the Lucchese family in Astoria, Queens. Rudaj lead an attack in August 2001 on two Greek associates of the Lucchese crime family who ran a gambling racket inside a Greek social club called Soccer Fever at 26-80 30th St. in Queens. On August 3, 2001 Rudaj and at least six other men entered the club with guns, beating one of the men in the head with a pistol and chasing others out of the neighborhood by threatening to destroy the building. Gambino leader Arnold Squitieri had had enough and wanted a talk with these rogue mobsters. The "sit down" took place at a gas station in a rest area near the New Jersey turnpike. Twenty armed Gambino mobsters accompanied Squitieri. Alex Rudaj on the other hand had only managed to bring six members of his crew. According to undercover FBI agent Joaquin Garcia, who infiltrated the Gambino crime family during this period, Squitieri told Rudaj that the fun was over and that they should stop expanding their operations. The Albanians and Gambinos then pulled out their weapons. Knowing they were outnumbered, the Albanians threatened to blow up the gas station with all of them in it. This ended the discussion, and both groups pulled back. By 2006 all of the main players involved in this "sit down" were in prison. Rudaj and then personal driver and bodyguard Lumaj including all members of Sixth Family had been picked off the street in October 2004 and charged with a variety of racketeering and gambling charges. After a trial Rudaj and his main lieutenants were all found guilty. In 2006 Rudaj, at that time 38 years old, was sentenced to 27 years in prison. His rival Arnold Squitieri was convicted in an unrelated racketeering case and was sent to prison for seven years. "What we have here might be considered a sixth crime family," after the five Mafia organizations — Bonanno, Colombo, Gambino, Genovese and Lucchese — said Fred Snelling, head of the FBI's criminal division in New York.[2] To date, over 20 members of the Rudaj organization have been charged with various crimes. Six of its top leaders, including Alex Rudaj himself, have been convicted. Ten more have pled guilty.
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Re: Why LCN never wiped Rudaj family off the map?
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Maybe It hasn't been pirated yet? How new is it?
It's rather recent, started 19 January I think. Then It probably will take some time, most of the copy-made files are burnt/pirated from DVDs. And since it's a documentary It probably doesn't air too much. Idk if documetaries makes DVDs. Atleast in my country they don't.
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Re: Why LCN never wiped Rudaj family off the map?
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http://www.tv.com/shows/gangsters-americ...te-lee-3352386/Doesn't this show you where and when it's aired? Think I saw it on amazon prime.
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Re: Why LCN never wiped Rudaj family off the map?
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Former FBI agent Jaoquin "Jack" Garcia gives a good breakdown of the tensions between the Rudaj group and the LCN.
His first encounter with the Albanians was when the FBI was running a strip club undercover in the Bronx and the Albanians tried to shake it down. He got the Gambinos to back them off which, as he put it, "showed the mob was strong enough to bully the Albanians" or it showed the two groups were working together.
He goes on to talk about other indignities the mob suffered as the Rudaj organization, which actually consisted of Albanians, as well as some Italians and Greeks, expanded their territory. The other leader of the group, in addition to Alex Rudaj, was Nardino "Lenny" Colotti, a former Gambino associate.
He says the group wanted to be the "sixth family" but it's operations basically consisted of a bookmaking operation and card games in Westchester, dozens of poker machines in Westchester, the Bronx, and Queens, and several gambling clubs it either ran or extorted money from - the latter being Greek clubs who had previously paid money to the Luccheses to operate. Some of the group's leaders also had real estate.
He talked about how Gambino captain Greg DePalma was able to settle a lot of beefs with the Albanians but not all. And the gas station meeting happened after things had risen to a boiling point when the Rudaj group shutdown a Greek club in Astoria (backed by the Gambinos). It seems both the Albanians and the Gambinos saw an opportunity to move in on territory long held by the Luccheses.
Anyway, while a lot of news articles painted the picture of the mob being the one to back down, Garcia actually sees it the other way. His take was basically that, after the meeting where you had like 20 Gambino guys there and 5 or 6 Rudaj guys, the Albanians realized they had gone about as far as they could go and the mob was too strong if push came to shove.
The press loves the concept of the new overthrowing the old and so it usually took that route in how it reported things. And those of us who go back a while on these forums know there were a few Albanian posters that derived a lot of their personal self-worth and national pride from this story. But the Rudaj organization was never in a position or had the manpower to be a major threat to the LCN. The fact they were essentially wiped out in a single indictment shows the difference.
Those who wonder why the Albanians weren't wiped off the map have probably watched too many movies. At some point in the 1990's the LCN actually moved to cut way down on murders due to the heat they were bringing. Contrast that with the cowboy ways of the Rudaj group, which brought some initial victories but also the attention of law enforcement. The Rudaj organization lasted little more than a decade because of it.
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Re: Why LCN never wiped Rudaj family off the map?
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Former FBI agent Jaoquin "Jack" Garcia gives a good breakdown of the tensions between the Rudaj group and the LCN.
His first encounter with the Albanians was when the FBI was running a strip club undercover in the Bronx and the Albanians tried to shake it down. He got the Gambinos to back them off which, as he put it, "showed the mob was strong enough to bully the Albanians" or it showed the two groups were working together.
He goes on to talk about other indignities the mob suffered as the Rudaj organization, which actually consisted of Albanians, as well as some Italians and Greeks, expanded their territory. The other leader of the group, in addition to Alex Rudaj, was Nardino "Lenny" Colotti, a former Gambino associate.
He says the group wanted to be the "sixth family" but it's operations basically consisted of a bookmaking operation and card games in Westchester, dozens of poker machines in Westchester, the Bronx, and Queens, and several gambling clubs it either ran or extorted money from - the latter being Greek clubs who had previously paid money to the Luccheses to operate. Some of the group's leaders also had real estate.
He talked about how Gambino captain Greg DePalma was able to settle a lot of beefs with the Albanians but not all. And the gas station meeting happened after things had risen to a boiling point when the Rudaj group shutdown a Greek club in Astoria (backed by the Gambinos). It seems both the Albanians and the Gambinos saw an opportunity to move in on territory long held by the Luccheses.
Anyway, while a lot of news articles painted the picture of the mob being the one to back down, Garcia actually sees it the other way. His take was basically that, after the meeting where you had like 20 Gambino guys there and 5 or 6 Rudaj guys, the Albanians realized they had gone about as far as they could go and the mob was too strong if push came to shove.
The press loves the concept of the new overthrowing the old and so it usually took that route in how it reported things. And those of us who go back a while on these forums know there were a few Albanian posters that derived a lot of their personal self-worth and national pride from this story. But the Rudaj organization was never in a position or had the manpower to be a major threat to the LCN. The fact they were essentially wiped out in a single indictment shows the difference.
Those who wonder why the Albanians weren't wiped off the map have probably watched too many movies. At some point in the 1990's the LCN actually moved to cut way down on murders due to the heat they were bringing. Contrast that with the cowboy ways of the Rudaj group, which brought some initial victories but also the attention of law enforcement. The Rudaj organization lasted little more than a decade because of it. You write what I tried to say, only alot better I am not too good with the words.
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Re: Why LCN never wiped Rudaj family off the map?
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Former FBI agent Jaoquin "Jack" Garcia gives a good breakdown of the tensions between the Rudaj group and the LCN.
His first encounter with the Albanians was when the FBI was running a strip club undercover in the Bronx and the Albanians tried to shake it down. He got the Gambinos to back them off which, as he put it, "showed the mob was strong enough to bully the Albanians" or it showed the two groups were working together.
He goes on to talk about other indignities the mob suffered as the Rudaj organization, which actually consisted of Albanians, as well as some Italians and Greeks, expanded their territory. The other leader of the group, in addition to Alex Rudaj, was Nardino "Lenny" Colotti, a former Gambino associate.
He says the group wanted to be the "sixth family" but it's operations basically consisted of a bookmaking operation and card games in Westchester, dozens of poker machines in Westchester, the Bronx, and Queens, and several gambling clubs it either ran or extorted money from - the latter being Greek clubs who had previously paid money to the Luccheses to operate. Some of the group's leaders also had real estate.
He talked about how Gambino captain Greg DePalma was able to settle a lot of beefs with the Albanians but not all. And the gas station meeting happened after things had risen to a boiling point when the Rudaj group shutdown a Greek club in Astoria (backed by the Gambinos). It seems both the Albanians and the Gambinos saw an opportunity to move in on territory long held by the Luccheses.
Anyway, while a lot of news articles painted the picture of the mob being the one to back down, Garcia actually sees it the other way. His take was basically that, after the meeting where you had like 20 Gambino guys there and 5 or 6 Rudaj guys, the Albanians realized they had gone about as far as they could go and the mob was too strong if push came to shove.
The press loves the concept of the new overthrowing the old and so it usually took that route in how it reported things. And those of us who go back a while on these forums know there were a few Albanian posters that derived a lot of their personal self-worth and national pride from this story. But the Rudaj organization was never in a position or had the manpower to be a major threat to the LCN. The fact they were essentially wiped out in a single indictment shows the difference.
Those who wonder why the Albanians weren't wiped off the map have probably watched too many movies. At some point in the 1990's the LCN actually moved to cut way down on murders due to the heat they were bringing. Contrast that with the cowboy ways of the Rudaj group, which brought some initial victories but also the attention of law enforcement. The Rudaj organization lasted little more than a decade because of it. You write what I tried to say, only alot better I am not too good with the words. Ivy and Blueeyes, in Garcias book he writes that Arnold Squittieri told the Albaninas that they took what they took but that they weren't taking any more. He said the Gambinos were all strapped and ready. Cooler heads I guess prevailed and prevented a bloodbath at the gas station.
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