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Re: Next family to become defunct
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03/07/16 03:43 PM
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What do you mean by defunct? Do you mean when the last member dies?
As far as I'm (and the feds for that matter) concerned, Kansas City and Los Angeles are already defunct.
There are 10 families left if you count Detroit. They would be the next to go.
Not counting Detroit, I think an argument could be made for either the DeCavalcantes or Chicago. But that's years down the road.
Genovese are the next to be defunct. Most secretive, not a lot of information out there about them from law enforcement. Its almost like its a secret society and we aren't supposed to know that much about them or something!
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Re: Next family to become defunct
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03/07/16 06:27 PM
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What do you mean by defunct? Do you mean when the last member dies?
As far as I'm (and the feds for that matter) concerned, Kansas City and Los Angeles are already defunct.
There are 10 families left if you count Detroit. They would be the next to go.
Not counting Detroit, I think an argument could be made for either the DeCavalcantes or Chicago. But that's years down the road.
Genovese are the next to be defunct. Most secretive, not a lot of information out there about them from law enforcement. Its almost like its a secret society and we aren't supposed to know that much about them or something! All the things you just said will guarantee that they won't be considered defunct for a long time if ever, these guys havent belonged to anything secret in over a hundred years plus in was never a secret in America. The cats is out the bag and people like us on here will never let the Genovese be considered defunct, just like no one wants to believe these other families are defunct.
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Re: Next family to become defunct
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03/07/16 08:46 PM
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Buffalo is about as defunct as you can get. I don't think Chicago is going anywhere, because nobody knows what's going on, doesn't really equate to there not being any activity. Only someone from Chicago who's around those guys would know. And according to some of those guys on this forum, there are young guys involved in what we'd call "The Outfit". The thing is, like myself, Cabrini, Snakes and others have mentioned before, you can be a part of The Outfit, without being a made member.
Detroit I think is still active, but Id say they might be more of a corporate thing with the D'Anna's locked up. So they might be the next to go the way of the dodo bird. At least as long as they continue to focus on legitimacy. I dont know if they are or not though. I'm just judging off Tony Pal's recent medical insurance sale.
I think the Trafficantes are defunct and Florida is an open city, as always but the only families out there are NY based ones.
NY families arent going anywhere, they recently shut down oUr Organized Crime Units in the NYPD due to lack of funding. So that's only a plus for the families. Means it's more work to do for the FBI with absolutely no help from our local police department.
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Re: Next family to become defunct
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03/08/16 03:54 AM
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what 10 families can you name ivy? The five families, Chicago, Patriarca, Philly, DeCavalcante and Detroit. There are no other active families. Those families listed above are it. And it's not me saying so. It's the feds. And the comperative cases in these cities bare this out. There are still living members, some active, in other areas but there isn't a viable family in these sense of having an identifiable formal hierarchy or ongoing activity. And that's what you're looking for when talking about organized crime. Some may want to use their own criteria to add this or that family but I have no interest in that. I go with what the feds and cases over the past 15 years say. Otherwise you have every Tom, Dick, and Harry coming up with their own lists based on whatever.
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Re: Next family to become defunct
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03/09/16 12:55 AM
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The Feds have been claiming the end of the mafia since the 1970s. If you took their words at face value, you might literally think the mob no longer exists anywhere. It's in their best interests to say families are defunct. But this mob forum is not a perfect science or standard formula, despite some of the posters here who believe they are the "PC Police" on what families are and are not active. Those are the exact same posters with no common sense.
I think it's the other way around nowadays. Law enforcement agencies heighten the threat of criminal groups to get more funding. It's more likely that law enforcement is exaggerating about how much power the mafia still has than downplaying its existence. Law enforcement was more of a results based function of government in the days when the mafia was first targeted. Today it's a business. Then you add the private contractors to the mix, prison industrial complex. It's big money. Let there be a union rep in some small town that looks like Tony Soprano and the police will insist the mob is back, and there'll be a measure on the ballot for an additional 100 million in funding for a special police unit to stop it.
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Re: Next family to become defunct
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03/09/16 10:29 AM
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What do you mean by defunct? Do you mean when the last member dies?
As far as I'm (and the feds for that matter) concerned, Kansas City and Los Angeles are already defunct.
There are 10 families left if you count Detroit. They would be the next to go.
Not counting Detroit, I think an argument could be made for either the DeCavalcantes or Chicago. But that's years down the road.
Detroit and Patriarca most def. Chicago maybe, I think that's far down the road. What would be most devastating would be if the Blacks and Latinos saw that the Mob Money was more lucrative, glamorous and least dangerous than drugs, and they wanna set up shop. I think the reason why NY isn't nearly extinct is because they steal members from everywhere. NJ is forbidden from recruting from NY, whilst both Philly and NY recruts from NJ which is clearly a profitable area with lots of recruits. I get that most members live somewhere other than where they operate, but think about it; The Lucchese NJ faction is claimed to have atleast 50made members. And (Idk) Lucchese probably have a crew in Florida or something, so how many members are left in NY? Around 30-40 ? If NJ was ''indepedent'' and had all of NJ for themselves, with no other family involving themselves, could NJ be one of the largest families with 150-200 members maybe? (Just throving numbers) and the same with Florida, could they maybe have had something around 30-40members if they laid claim to all of Florida? I get that when the Boss of a NY family sends a guy to establish a crew he says to some Brooklyn-dude ''Hey, take Frankie Fish and Freddy Frogs to Miami, set up shop'' but there has to be some sort of local recruiting?
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Re: Next family to become defunct
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03/09/16 12:12 PM
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Detroit is my prediction of the next family to become extinct, if it hasn't already. I see how you would think so, but Detroit have a lot more steady leadership than say the Patriarcas. Also I think Detroit would have more power being in one city, where everybody is close. Whilst Patriarca switches its leadership from Providence to Boston almost regularly. It might be a neat thing when it comes to confusing cops, but confused members is a family's doom. In 1990 Detroit had 280.000 ethnic italian/italian-americans. And they don't have competition from Irish Gangs like Boston. We can almost say for sure that the Detroit Partnership is going more legitimized, much like Chicago. But The feds can't prove everything and for all we know they might be deeply involved in god knows.
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Re: Next family to become defunct
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03/09/16 12:17 PM
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By ''The Confused Members'' comment I mean that it is not unlikely that people don't know who is who and a Fed might infiltrate easilyer. And also some Boston high-ups can beef with Providence and start an internal warfare. Nobody in Boston who is connected is going to stand up to guys from Rhode Island. The New England Mob could might be an interesting TV show
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Re: Next family to become defunct
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03/10/16 01:37 AM
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The Feds have been claiming the end of the mafia since the 1970s. If you took their words at face value, you might literally think the mob no longer exists anywhere. It's in their best interests to say families are defunct. But this mob forum is not a perfect science or standard formula, despite some of the posters here who believe they are the "PC Police" on what families are and are not active. Those are the exact same posters with no common sense.
In case you haven't noticed, the feds have become more careful about declaring the mob dead in areas where it isnt. But in others it doesn't come up because it's generally accepted as fact and the lack of law enforcement interest, as well as statements from OC experts, bare that out. If an objective observer looks at the evidence as a whole in any given city, it's not hard to see which families are still active and which ones arent. The only people who try and make it more complicated than it is are the ones trying to fool the naive.
Detroit and Patriarca most def.
Chicago maybe, I think that's far down the road. What would be most devastating would be if the Blacks and Latinos saw that the Mob Money was more lucrative, glamorous and least dangerous than drugs, and they wanna set up shop.
I think the reason why NY isn't nearly extinct is because they steal members from everywhere. NJ is forbidden from recruting from NY, whilst both Philly and NY recruts from NJ which is clearly a profitable area with lots of recruits. I get that most members live somewhere other than where they operate, but think about it; The Lucchese NJ faction is claimed to have atleast 50made members. And (Idk) Lucchese probably have a crew in Florida or something, so how many members are left in NY? Around 30-40 ? If NJ was ''indepedent'' and had all of NJ for themselves, with no other family involving themselves, could NJ be one of the largest families with 150-200 members maybe? (Just throving numbers) and the same with Florida, could they maybe have had something around 30-40members if they laid claim to all of Florida?
I get that when the Boss of a NY family sends a guy to establish a crew he says to some Brooklyn-dude ''Hey, take Frankie Fish and Freddy Frogs to Miami, set up shop'' but there has to be some sort of local recruiting?
New England has been as active as any remaining family outside NY over the past 15 years. They still have 40-50 members and have apparently made new ones in recent times. Detroit has nowhere near 40-50 and even Scott hasn't claimed any concrete info on recent ceremonies. Not sure where you got 50 members for the Lucchese Jersey crew but it's nowhere near that. That would be about half the family in that one crew. Every NY family is active in Florida to some extent but it seems the Luccheses have had the least in recent years. And the NY families have a large recruiting pool, with or without New Jersey.
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Re: Next family to become defunct
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03/10/16 03:29 AM
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Not sure where you got 50 members for the Lucchese Jersey crew His ass Yeah, the 2004 NJ OC report talked about several Genovese crews based in the state, as opposed to one for the Luccheses, and the combined total for all Genovese members in the state was 40. So obviously there's no way the Luccheses would have that many, even if you included guys from NY-based crews that operated there.
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