I know he's retired from the mob since the 1990s, but what is he up to these days?

Real Estate supposedly.

What's he Really Estate up too Sinatra?




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My guess is he is a shadow boss. Had a representative pass murder contracts to enforce LCN ruled in Canada.

They been releasing his fathers FBI files. So the first 3000 pages came out. Its starts getting good around 1962 63. Cause the feds got a FBI informant in ray sr. Office and wiretaps. He was made in NYC and transfers to the boss of Boston then took over as boss in 54. In 63 he's has guy coming in his office with every scam in the world and just handed him cash. Jerry anguilo and limone come from Boston everyday with money. Whitey Bulger couldn't shi e these guys shoes. They had crap games and cards floating in city's all over new england. They owned horse tracks gulf courses. Ray Jr must have so much money. And he's probably reading these files putting all the FBI informants in his head. Think he's 18 in 1963 so he's knows what was happening. The informant in the office was telling them everything. He was tight with genovese.

Jr. has become a successful developer. Rumor has is some of the old timers still stop by his house around the holidays with an envelope as tribute and respect for his Old Man. He has to have millions in cash, gold and other valuable when he got out around 2000... Heck his Dad had one of the greatest runs in LCN history, 20 years at the top, not an attempt on his life, owned race tracks, casino's, fixed races and sports and controlled every thug, hood, drug dealer, bookie and shy in 4 or 5 states.

There was a story a few years back 2010 maybe IDK as someone was moving into his Dad's old office--Coin-o-Matic-- maybe it was a sub shop or something?? and JR was spotted stopping by and taking a look around. The office was said to have been virtually "un-touched" since 1984 when Sr died.

Here's one of my favorite Old Man stories, what did he net out of this? Came home, thought everyone maybe push enough up to the top while he was away and took what was his.

http://wpri.com/2010/11/11/secrets-bonded-vault-heist-revealed/

Dad was boss from 54-84. He had motels all over. And him and jerry anguilo where investing there money in all things legit always back in the 60tys. Being ray Jr was a only child and his mother died early he inherited a fortune. And ray sr was cheap and not a big spender. The Money he had coming from his secret ownership in the dunes casino.

Also from reading these files I didn't know how close peter limone was with ray sr. So he was made way back then. He had him going to fat tony in Miami often.

Limone was a rising star before he went away. Jerry loved him too. It's why he's the boss today, the young guys love him and the old guys respect that fact he did freakin 33 years and got what $30mm after his release.

Ray Sr. didn't spend a penny on anything, food, booze, cigarettes, suits, everything was done as a favor, he still had the 1st $ he ever stole.

Patricarca was raised in new york? Made in new york? By who?
How did he end up in boston?
This is interesting.

New Orleans and Tampa and nowhere near the overall strength of those 2 families despite the political connections of those bosses

As for Chicago over Gambino. Gambino had 28 captains. Chicago had 8 or 9....

There's a lot of tapes in these files on I think the last one hes says on tape he was made in NY after he got out of jail Early's 40tys and Phil buccolla or some shit who was boss of the new england family asked his boss in NYC to transfer him to his family. Then the guy Phil returns to Sicily in 54 and ray becomes boss at some farmhouse in Rhode island. Guys from the westside before genovese is boss so probably Costello and Chicago guys are there. Capo icone from Worcester gives him jewelry as a gift. Pretty. Oil reading. There up to 1963 right now guess they still have like 7000 more pages to release. They only do 100 a week. The reading about the Irish gang war should be coming up. Like I said ray Jr probably reading them and is shocked there was so many informants for the FBI right in rays office. Been reading about a crap game down the street from me and a huge numbers biz. They were a highly organized family into everything. Ray owns a dump were people come to him everyday with cash to use his dump. And jerry a from Boston was a criminal genius.

He's supposedly been out since 1998, most thought he was not up to the task of running the family, but he was smart enough to get out with millions in the bank.

he hasnt said what family yet, but hes said to unidentfied other men he was made in nyc and transferd to the boss of boston buccola. im trying to figure out who ray sr underboss was in the early 60tys. i think this guy joe lombardo in boston. therres alot more genovese guys threw out new england then i thought between worcester and springfield theres probaaly more then 20. alot of these guys were born in nyc and probaly left for money ops. the genovese also have guys in boston and they have big jewish bookies. tommy ryan has a office in boston. think people traveld alot more to make money in crime back then. ray sr would get driven to little italy the fbi would wire the agents in nyc and he be back home by the end of the night. my spelling sucks trying to be quick.

1 last thing on the travling guys. carlo gambino has a few arrests in brockton mass. for booze or something. brockton home of boxer rocky m.

Pmac, where are you reading these files at? This is the first time I'm hearing anything about Raymond Patriarca Sr. being made into a NY family. You sure he didnt mean his making ceremony simply may have taken place in NY, considering the close ties with New England and the Genovese and all.

Golocalprov. I didn't no either. But ray sr clearly states a couple times to whoever he's talking to a lot of times the feds put unidentifiable man and won time it was anguilo he said he was made into 1 of the NYC 5 families and transferred to new england probably cause he's born and raised in Rhode island but did a lot of traveling I guess. I mean he did make nick Bianco and transfers him to the Colombo family then took him back after Colombo got shot. Greg scarpa told about that in his files. Bianco went on to be boss. Like I said the first 2000 pages were slow and redacted heavy but with the top informan starting 1962 the feds got a lot of people giving them info.

Also gonna be interesting when it gets to the 70tys. But patriarca found out the feds had a wire in his office in the late 60tys so who knows he must have stopped talking biz inside. But the Boston killed themselves on this bugs in there office in the 80tys. They never learned. Shit then gotti still talking inside dummy's. Sam the plumbers tape recordings from his office were published in a book in the 70tys.

Patriarca Sr was definitely made in NYC, not sure with which family though. I've made a few threads about it myself trying to find an answer. He had close ties to the Genovese but also the Gambinos and Colombos..

Patriarca has always been one of the most interesting guys to me. 30 year reign with no one even coming close, and he had so many connections and ran the whole New England for a loooong time. I read the start of the Patriarca papers but forgot about em, I gotta get up to speed.

As of last year when I seen it, it was a King Kaboob's or some shit. Some kind of sandwich shop which is closed now

Again, very interesting that Patriarca was actually made in NYC. Its also said that he lived in NYC. Ok, but where and for how long ???
Did he move to NYC as a young boy with his parents?
How did he wind up there?

I'm pretty sure he grew up in Worcestor, Mass.

Straight from the Moe Tilden book of comedy.

The new york thing is a big mystery.

Patriarca Sr had been working for the New England/Boston family since the 30's, when he was a hitman for Phil Bruccola. He grew in influence after Bruccolas retirement. Joe Lombardo takes over but also fades into the background, in which by the late 40's, beginning of the 50's, Patriarca is said to have been running things for the family in Providence, RI. By the 50's he's identified as the #1 man in the Boston Mob, with Jerry Anguilo being the #2, followed by Henry Tameleo. At what point would Patriarca had been made into a NY family and then transferred to New England?

AmericanMafia says he was a member of the NY mafia during the years of prohibition but that he was still based out of Providence. That makes things a little bit clearer I guess, as the Mafia wasnt as fleshed out during the Prohibition years and a lot of families around the country had yet to be established as actual families. He may have worked for and was later made by one of the big bosses from NY , before the days of Luciano & The Commission. And then when Luciano came into power and established the Five Families, perhaps Providence later on became merged with another family , forming the Boston/New England Mafia. Idk, thats just a theory, this has gotten confusing.

i dont know how to copy and paste but if you go to enrty 29 page 80 he talks about it. and some informant on ent 30 page 42. theres all times of cool shit in it. i think they had a super hard on for him cause the kennedys. i would guess icone from worcester probaly proposed him to nyc. cause most of the worcester guys or all were westside but when ray tookover he made some into his family. plus all there husles were split almost 50/50. all these small citys in new england were alot bigger back in the 40 50 60 cause there was tons of jobs in the factories before they all went to china ect. one guy ran his numbers operation threw his brother at a factory and it brought in good money.

Another thing from the files ray sr had a close relationship with that guy pussy Russo guess he was genovese driver. But it seems during the 70tys the westside killed all Vito's guys. Tommy Ryan pussy n pat Ryan and maybe because jerry cantena was locked up for a few yrs and went to Florida he got a pass?. I seen Joe Paterno in the other thread I think he mention in them. Or maybe in was in crazy Phil's book saying his uncle respected them.

I think Joe valchi said on TV he was made in @932 and didn't no what family or someshit. They probably inducted so many guys in the early 30tys when all the shot started guys didn't no exactly where or what was going on. Didn't Joe v say he was inducted with like a room full of guys.

Valachi did say when he was inducted, for years after he didn't know what family he belonged to. What a dummy.