Cabrini is right. There only 2 faction: the old scarfo guys that made their time and want to stay out of jail and make money the others are the Merlino loyalist survived to the war with Stanfa.

That doesn't seem to be what he said, but I could be wrong. I think Anastasia and Shratenweiser are right in that there are four factions. However people seem to be misinterpreting the term faction as meaning that they're all against each other. Which I don't think is the case. For one, I think Ligambi is still the official acting boss, since his last trial, he's been trying to stay out of prison and is rarely seen with the other guys outside of holiday functions. When it's said he has his own faction, I assume that as simply meaning he's closest to his nephew and only meets with his nephew, and his nephew Borgesi, is the constant link between Ligambi and the Merlino/Mazzone camp. Thats one "faction" or "crew", Ligambi and Borgesi, in a sense. They ARENT at war with Merlino & Mazzone, they ARENT beefing, and they happily co-exist with Borgesi being the visible guy who meets with everyone, in place of Ligambi, while Ligambi continues to keep a low profile. Almost like Ligambis front boss, but without the actual title. Merlino/Mazzone camp, is another "faction" or "crew", a lot of them are commonly seen at Borgesi's clubhouse, which also symbolizes Borgesi's new significance. And through Borgesi, Uncle Joe keeps informed. You have one group of Scarfo guys, under Joe Pung, flipping houses and apartment complexes and what not. That's three, and then you have Phil Narducci and 10th & O which has been misidentified as a "faction/Crew" under the Philly Mob. I dont think thats the case, hes out by himself with those guys. If anything the other Scarfo guys are either under the other Pung brother or Frank Narducci, or simply under Joe Pung as well.

I think theres a real possibility that there are four "factions/crews". But in my personal opinion from what I've seen and read, I'd say realistically theres only three. Thats if you count Ligambi and the fact that he only seems to meet on a regular basis with Borgesi, as those two and those under Borgesi, like former Stanfa bodyguard Vince Filipelli, as being their own crew. You dont hear about those guys, because everyone is doing their own thing and are happy doing things that way.


And Chickie Ciangaglini is happy being with his family reportedly, his real family, and only moderates on occasion. I don't think he's in a real position of power amongst the admin out of that, nor does he want to be. He's like what Joe Gallo was in the Gotti movie, or Junior Soprano, his counsel is sought when it's needed. Other than that he's coolin'.

That doesn't seem to be what he said, but I could be wrong. I think Anastasia and Shratenweiser are right in that there are four factions. However people seem to be misinterpreting the term faction as meaning that they're all against each other. Which I don't think is the case. For one, I think Ligambi is still the official acting boss, since his last trial, he's been trying to stay out of prison and is rarely seen with the other guys outside of holiday functions. When it's said he has his own faction, I assume that as simply meaning he's closest to his nephew and only meets with his nephew, and his nephew Borgesi, is the constant link between Ligambi and the Merlino/Mazzone camp. Thats one "faction" or "crew", Ligambi and Borgesi, in a sense. They ARENT at war with Merlino & Mazzone, they ARENT beefing, and they happily co-exist with Borgesi being the visible guy who meets with everyone, in place of Ligambi, while Ligambi continues to keep a low profile. Almost like Ligambis front boss, but without the actual title. Merlino/Mazzone camp, is another "faction" or "crew", a lot of them are commonly seen at Borgesi's clubhouse, which also symbolizes Borgesi's new significance. And through Borgesi, Uncle Joe keeps informed. You have one group of Scarfo guys, under Joe Pung, flipping houses and apartment complexes and what not. That's three, and then you have Phil Narducci and 10th & O which has been misidentified as a "faction/Crew" under the Philly Mob. I dont think thats the case, hes out by himself with those guys. If anything the other Scarfo guys are either under the other Pung brother or Frank Narducci, or simply under Joe Pung as well.

I think theres a real possibility that there are four "factions/crews". But in my personal opinion from what I've seen and read, I'd say realistically theres only three. Thats if you count Ligambi and the fact that he only seems to meet on a regular basis with Borgesi, as those two and those under Borgesi, like former Stanfa bodyguard Vince Filipelli, as being their own crew. You dont hear about those guys, because everyone is doing their own thing and are happy doing things that way.


And Chickie Ciangaglini is happy being with his family reportedly, his real family, and only moderates on occasion. I don't think he's in a real position of power amongst the admin out of that, nor does he want to be. He's like what Joe Gallo was in the Gotti movie, or Junior Soprano, his counsel is sought when it's needed. Other than that he's coolin'.

So is every other mob family. They consists of guys who grew up around each other in the neighborhood, and it's all fun and games and laughs until someone is caught stealing or accused of something by someone who is more liked and then killed. And you really think there's no structure? You do realize a lot of these guys are from different eras, so not everyone wants to hang out with a bunch of guys they thought were punks when they were in the street. Or with a guy who had them on a hit list at one point in time and wouldnt of hesitated to attempt a murder on site. Like I said everything is amicable, nobody under the Philly Mob umbrella is at war or at odds with one another right now. That still doesn't mean things aren't organized and structured, and that there aren't crews. Without organization and structure you tend to get a little thing called chaos. And at the end of the day, despite them all being friends, according to the oath they take, LCN comes first, it's not a side thing, its their life. And whether its legal or illegal business is business, and you interfere with that in any way, you have to face the consequence. It doesnt matter if they all grew up together. The only difference is now, in Phillies case, outside of the rare situation, instead of friend killing friend. Friend now has other friend beaten for whatever discretion he may have made.

Just look at the Narducci's. One guy decided he wasnt going to follow or be apart of the LCN structure anymore. The other brother, went along when he came home and still belongs. While the one who decided to go his own way, is a social pariah. If LCN was just a "side thing", you think they'd really care what Phil Narducci decided to do for himself?

Your definition of LCN seems pretty twisted, brother.

Twisted, huh. This is 2016. The Philly family is essentially an oversized crew of guys. I'm not going to defend what I said because my view of LCN is a bunch of lazy cheats who get by based on the reputation of movies and eras long past. Now a days... YES, it's a "side thing". Did you see the Ligambi trial and the money involved? There's no way that over half of these guys are just getting by with what they earn working for Uncle Joe, Merlino, etc. Most of these guys NEED some kind of day jobs. And not just to hide the illicit money, but to make enough dough to live a decent life. I'm sure there's a technical structure, but as far as "We are A Platoon, that is B Platoon, and those guys over there are C Platoon. You don't talk to B Platoon without first checking with your Lieutenant to see if it's okay!" that seems like a bit of a movie/tv view of modern day LCN in Philly.

As far as captains, boss, under, coonsie... they exist, sure. But Philly LCN now a days is more of a gang then a classic Mafia Family. That's from pulling court records from the Ligambi guys' trials more than it is watching George Anastasia or message boards.

If you think that the majority of these die hard guys are LCN "to the core", ask Ron Previte living in South Philly STILL and walking around a free man without a care in the world. If anything, your view of LCN is not "twisted", but a little childish. There's still LCN, but it's LCN on the rocks with a splash of water.

i dont think previte is still in south philly i highly doubt it. He never lived in south philly even before he flipped.

He ran a crew in Hammonton and he would kick up once or twice a month. My point being why would he be living in south philly? he might still be in hammonton but he wont come in contact with any of these guys

That documentary with that black guy from England on Philly LCN? He was in either South Philly or AC. Hammonton... doesn't matter. Still proves my point, if it was still "The Godfather" image of LCN posters are trying to paint, Previte wouldn't be hanging out in old turf unafraid of contact with Bruno Family LCN (regardless of the territory).

That documentary with that black guy from England on Philly LCN? He was in either South Philly or AC. Hammonton... doesn't matter. Still proves my point, if it was still "The Godfather" image of LCN posters are trying to paint, Previte wouldn't be hanging out in old turf unafraid of contact with Bruno Family LCN (regardless of the territory).

Twisted, huh. This is 2016. The Philly family is essentially an oversized crew of guys. I'm not going to defend what I said because my view of LCN is a bunch of lazy cheats who get by based on the reputation of movies and eras long past. Now a days... YES, it's a "side thing". Did you see the Ligambi trial and the money involved? There's no way that over half of these guys are just getting by with what they earn working for Uncle Joe, Merlino, etc. Most of these guys NEED some kind of day jobs. And not just to hide the illicit money, but to make enough dough to live a decent life. I'm sure there's a technical structure, but as far as "We are A Platoon, that is B Platoon, and those guys over there are C Platoon. You don't talk to B Platoon without first checking with your Lieutenant to see if it's okay!" that seems like a bit of a movie/tv view of modern day LCN in Philly.

As far as captains, boss, under, coonsie... they exist, sure. But Philly LCN now a days is more of a gang then a classic Mafia Family. That's from pulling court records from the Ligambi guys' trials more than it is watching George Anastasia or message boards.

If you think that the majority of these die hard guys are LCN "to the core", ask Ron Previte living in South Philly STILL and walking around a free man without a care in the world. If anything, your view of LCN is not "twisted", but a little childish. There's still LCN, but it's LCN on the rocks with a splash of water.

That documentary with that black guy from England on Philly LCN? He was in either South Philly or AC. Hammonton... doesn't matter. Still proves my point, if it was still "The Godfather" image of LCN posters are trying to paint, Previte wouldn't be hanging out in old turf unafraid of contact with Bruno Family LCN (regardless of the territory).

I think everyone agrees the Philly mob isnt what it used to be. But Ron Previte isn't in South Philly, just to clear that up. Second, I know all about the Ligambi trial and the money involved, guys making threats to kill over 500 dollar debts and such. But you are aware that trial was in what ? 2013? While things havent changed much, they're still making money through bookmaking and sportsbetting. And getting some serious cash through the real estate business, which I suspect they're attempting to establish some monopoly over since reportedly its the bread and butter now of most of the crews, and they're working hand in hand with each other. So to this very day, there are still investments to protect, that much is evident through the Gino DiPietro murder.


And wheres your proof of these guys needing day jobs in order to maintain? Or do you actually have any? Merlino doesnt seem to have a day job, nor does Mazzone. Borgesi spends most of his day time at his clubhouse with the likes of Sonny Mazzone, Stevie Mazzone and other known Philly mob members and associates, Ligambi spends pretty much all of his time at home. What 9 to 5's do you actually have any proof of?

Merlino owns a restaurant. Every mobster needs some legal job so they don't get nailed for tax fraud, which is worse than murder in the eyes of the government. Who says they actually spend time there and does their job?

Well if he is there almost everyday how is he here every week ? Don't tell me he has a private plane at his disposal .
He texted someone today and he was not there .
He was here for the boat show and the week before and week after .

Don't get it he must have access to a plane

Joey doesn't own merlino's. But he is there almost everyday.

I wasn't saying he's there all the time like I actually know how much he's there or not. I was more just stating he doesn't own the place but he is there often. I have no idea what his travel schedule is.

I think everyone agrees the Philly mob isnt what it used to be. But Ron Previte isn't in South Philly, just to clear that up. Second, I know all about the Ligambi trial and the money involved, guys making threats to kill over 500 dollar debts and such. But you are aware that trial was in what ? 2013? While things havent changed much, they're still making money through bookmaking and sportsbetting. And getting some serious cash through the real estate business, which I suspect they're attempting to establish some monopoly over since reportedly its the bread and butter now of most of the crews, and they're working hand in hand with each other. So to this very day, there are still investments to protect, that much is evident through the Gino DiPietro murder.


And wheres your proof of these guys needing day jobs in order to maintain? Or do you actually have any? Merlino doesnt seem to have a day job, nor does Mazzone. Borgesi spends most of his day time at his clubhouse with the likes of Sonny Mazzone, Stevie Mazzone and other known Philly mob members and associates, Ligambi spends pretty much all of his time at home. What 9 to 5's do you actually have any proof of?