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Re: Truth About Modern day Chicago [Re: BlueEyes] #876439
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united service companies has a 99.4 million dollar contract to clean ohare airport

paul fosco is a vice president of the company

fosco got convicted of racketeering in the same trial that tony accardo was acquitted

if you don't see the mob connection there then you just don't want to see it

Re: Truth About Modern day Chicago [Re: BlueEyes] #893228
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Would The Outfit have any contact with NY these days?

I know they don't have to business wise, because since they cleaned up the Teamsters and the other national unions, there is no need for them to meet, but don't they have to meet to discuss LCN rules and regulations. Or doesn't the Outfit consider themselves Cosa Nostra? I know from reading books about NY/Jersey/Philly mobsters that they constantly refer to themselves as Cosa Nostra and from reading about Chicago and watching docs I don't get that feeling..


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Re: Truth About Modern day Chicago [Re: BillyBrizzi] #893234
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Originally Posted By: BillyBrizzi
Would The Outfit have any contact with NY these days?

I know they don't have to business wise, because since they cleaned up the Teamsters and the other national unions, there is no need for them to meet, but don't they have to meet to discuss LCN rules and regulations. Or doesn't the Outfit consider themselves Cosa Nostra? I know from reading books about NY/Jersey/Philly mobsters that they constantly refer to themselves as Cosa Nostra and from reading about Chicago and watching docs I don't get that feeling..


During the Family Secrets trial Frank Calabrese Snr was taped lambasting Shorty LaMantia for the way he introduced someone to a New York mobster in prison - he referred to them as 'a friend of ours' when LaMantia was not a made guy. Calabrese Snr was not happy and made LaMantia fully aware of it.

Apparently there were also tapes made during the investigation of Lombardo bemoaning that New York mobsters had made inroads in some of the gambling rackets in Chicago, don't know if it got aired.

When Frankie Schweihs was convicted of extortion in the early 90s he was recorded boasting that no-one from New York dared mess with anyone in Chicago. The tapes were then replayed during initial stages of the Family Secrets trial. He was collecting payments from Red Wemette, adult book store owner and FBI informant, at the time.

Re: Truth About Modern day Chicago [Re: BlueEyes] #893247
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Lombardo saying that stuff about one New York guy having a strip club to Patrick Spilotro was him trying to make Pat believe he wasn't still involved in the Outfit. The Outfit through Rick Rizzolo had the Crazy Horse in Vegas, and Faraci who is a member of the Bonnanos', "worked" there. It is also said that while the Clown was in prison in the 80's his best friend was a New York crime boss. New York doesn't go into Chicago without asking, and Chicago doesn't go into New York without asking, it's as simple as that. There is also at least one family connection as John "Pudgy" Matassa is the brother in-law of Daniel Pagano of the Genovese family.

Re: Truth About Modern day Chicago [Re: BlueEyes] #893306
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He said getting a so-called made member to talk was a key breakthrough because Chicago "has been the toughest nut to crack of all the major cities in the United States with LCN (mob) families."

-US ATTORNEY GREG SHAPIRO,2009


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: Truth About Modern day Chicago [Re: ScottishChris] #893330
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Originally Posted By: ScottishChris
Originally Posted By: BillyBrizzi
Would The Outfit have any contact with NY these days?

I know they don't have to business wise, because since they cleaned up the Teamsters and the other national unions, there is no need for them to meet, but don't they have to meet to discuss LCN rules and regulations. Or doesn't the Outfit consider themselves Cosa Nostra? I know from reading books about NY/Jersey/Philly mobsters that they constantly refer to themselves as Cosa Nostra and from reading about Chicago and watching docs I don't get that feeling..


During the Family Secrets trial Frank Calabrese Snr was taped lambasting Shorty LaMantia for the way he introduced someone to a New York mobster in prison - he referred to them as 'a friend of ours' when LaMantia was not a made guy. Calabrese Snr was not happy and made LaMantia fully aware of it.

Apparently there were also tapes made during the investigation of Lombardo bemoaning that New York mobsters had made inroads in some of the gambling rackets in Chicago, don't know if it got aired.

When Frankie Schweihs was convicted of extortion in the early 90s he was recorded boasting that no-one from New York dared mess with anyone in Chicago. The tapes were then replayed during initial stages of the Family Secrets trial. He was collecting payments from Red Wemette, adult book store owner and FBI informant, at the time.


Calabrese and LaMantia were actually in prison with Ray Patriarca Junior and Sonny Mercurio and guys from Providence (per Frank Jr.). Personally, I think LaMantia was probably made and Calabrese was just bullshitting to Frank Jr.

Re: Truth About Modern day Chicago [Re: BlueEyes] #893334
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I think LaMantia was probably made also. I think Frank Sr. was just pissed cause he didn't want them to know he was made.

Re: Truth About Modern day Chicago [Re: BlueEyes] #893345
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I used to think the same but I haven't seen any other confirmation of LaMantia being made. Plus it doesn't make sense why Frank would get so pissed at Shorty.


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Re: Truth About Modern day Chicago [Re: BlueEyes] #893356
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I remember in Las Vegas in 1979, one of my Friends introduced me to a Guy in the Casino as a Friend of Ours and he promptly admonished the Guy (after a little discussion) and I was introduced as a Friend of Mine.

Re: Truth About Modern day Chicago [Re: FriendoftheFamily] #893358
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Originally Posted By: FriendoftheFamily
I remember in Las Vegas in 1979, one of my Friends introduced me to a Guy in the Casino as a Friend of Ours and he promptly admonished the Guy (after a little discussion) and I was introduced as a Friend of Mine.


Was that before or after you fucked Gerri Rosenthal? lol

Re: Truth About Modern day Chicago [Re: BlueEyes] #893362
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But what I really want to know is if the Chicago Outfit guys refer to themselves as (La) Cosa Nostra like the NY guys do? I hope some Chicago experts can answer this question for me.

After reading books about the Outfit and looking at some transcripts of different tapes, it seems that they don't refer to themselves as LCN..

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Re: Truth About Modern day Chicago [Re: ChiTown] #893363
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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
Originally Posted By: FriendoftheFamily
I remember in Las Vegas in 1979, one of my Friends introduced me to a Guy in the Casino as a Friend of Ours and he promptly admonished the Guy (after a little discussion) and I was introduced as a Friend of Mine.


Was that before or after you fucked Gerri Rosenthal? lol


That was a good one lol

Actually the only Girlfriend of a Made Guy I dated was after the Made Guy Died and it was three years later after his death. I still got permission from the Committee...

Re: Truth About Modern day Chicago [Re: BlueEyes] #893408
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The only really interesting question about Chicago at this point is when the last 10 or so hardcore gangsters still around look at each other and say, "Well, this is stupid," and call it a day. It's almost impossible to imagine there is even a shell left in 10 years that even the biggest fan would be able to make an argument for You're talking about a 95 percent decomposed corpse at this point.

Let alone Detroit.

Re: Truth About Modern day Chicago [Re: BlueEyes] #893428
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Trying to work out if you're just an idiot or have been drinking.

Re: Truth About Modern day Chicago [Re: SonnyD] #893488
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Originally Posted By: SonnyD
Trying to work out if you're just an idiot or have been drinking.


There is somewhere on this forum a long debate about IDing all the known made members of the Outfit in correspondence with the last FBI estimate of made members. I believe we reached something approaching consensus between the more reasonable posters.

Go through the list and discount everyone in jail, dead, or obviously too old to be doing anything but pounding Ensure, and tell me what number you get.

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