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Pinging our Outfit historians with questions #868979
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A reader on another forum posed a question that you guys might be able to help with.

They are seeking information about a cousin that disappeared in the spring of '64.

That cousin (Emily Roberta Jordan) was investigated by the FBI for a counterfeit check scheme and apparently took it on the lam. The dates (Feb Mar 64) leads me to suspect it was the Joseph Spagnoli jr, Arthur Rachel case. It also involved a Secret Service agent named Bolden accused of selling info to the counterfeiters. Several attempts to get FOIA info from the feds have led nowhere for reasons ranging from it didn't exist, then it was lost, then it was found, but the items in it were misplaced, then they were destroyed.

What information exists is this:

The cousin worked for Warners Pontiac and was dating a connected guy by the name of Bruce A. Richards, possible nicknamed Hatchetface.
He worked for Nickey Chevrolet.
They hung out in a bar called Adorable Curvy, possibly frequented by Bottles Capone.

The couple lit out Feb-Mar '64 for Florida
Cousin gets a name change in Fla in '64, marries the boyfriend in Calif in Nov '66, then her trail goes cold.

Boyfriend gets nabbed, cops a plea and does a year around '65, changes name to John Ryan O'brien. Remarries later and eventually dies.

They have talked to the Boyfriend's brother and that is where the outfit info comes from, but the brother claims he never knew the cousin.

The FBI questioned the family about the cousin for years, but now claim she's not in their database.

They hold a FBI evidence tag marked 87-77977 K9 JK

If anyone knows anything about the names or places I've mentioned or whether the number on the tag holds special significance, or even has insight as to how to get around what appears to be stonewalling by the feds it would be appreciated.

Re: Pinging our Outfit historians with questions [Re: PKDickman] #868992
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Rachel is the only name that rings a bell for me but I will see what I can dig up for you.


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Re: Pinging our Outfit historians with questions [Re: PKDickman] #869004
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Re: Pinging our Outfit historians with questions [Re: Toodoped] #869016
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Originally Posted By: Toodoped


Ya, I read that trib article. One woman was Spagnoli's GF the other was just a neighbor in a trailer park where they had their printing operation set up. She testified that she heard machinery clanking. I doubt either was the cousin.

The family got back to me and told me that they mis-remembered the name of the bar.

It was either shapery or shapely adorable and it was on Rush St. which was pretty much all mobbed up and lined with strip clubs and B-girl joints in the '60s.

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What did she change her name to?


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Re: Pinging our Outfit historians with questions [Re: Snakes] #869025
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Originally Posted By: Snakes
What did she change her name to?


Not sure. I think she just started going by her middle name, then eventually by marriage changed her last name to Richards.

I'll reach out to the family and try to find out

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Birthdates, addresses, anything else like that would help, too.


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Re: Pinging our Outfit historians with questions [Re: PKDickman] #869027
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Feel free to message me if you'd like.


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Re: Pinging our Outfit historians with questions [Re: PKDickman] #869039
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Her name change was in Florida March 1964 TO Emily R Richards, and she used the last name of Moews as her maiden name, which was not her maiden name but her mothers

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Another update;

A reader on the other forum wondered if the name of the club "Shapery Adorable" might be a mis-transcription of "Chez Paree"

I think he's right. A little research showed the girls in the chorus line at the Chez Paree were called "The Adorables"

Re: Pinging our Outfit historians with questions [Re: PKDickman] #869051
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Originally Posted By: PKDickman
They hold a FBI evidence tag marked 87-77977 K9 JK


"87" is the FBI offense classification for "Interstate Transportation of Stolen Property." The 77977 is probably the case number.


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Re: Pinging our Outfit historians with questions [Re: PKDickman] #869055
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Yes, 87 is that FBI Offense. "JK" I believe is Jacksonville, Florida location and K9, I also think is the type of testing performed at the laboratory. The 77977 is the numbers or part in question. I do think it is the case number, however, upon many attempts to the FBI; no such file, lost file, located file, but documents misplaced or lost, to finally last correspondence was destroyed in 1990.

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Oh, ok


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Re: Pinging our Outfit historians with questions [Re: PKDickman] #869095
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Snakes - This was just my theory for the tag. I cant seem to upload a photo of it, if anyone would like a copy I can send it in a private message. I do appreciate everyone's help with my search. Thank you all!!

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Sure, feel free to message it to me.


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I sent a copy to PKDickman. By chance has he sent it to you? Im new to this site and havnt figured out how to attach a photo and send it. My Private email is amys@molalla.net You can send me an email and I can then reply with attachment.

Thanks again for any help!

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He has not yet but if I do not hear from him I will contact you again.


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Re: Pinging our Outfit historians with questions [Re: PKDickman] #869209
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Re: Pinging our Outfit historians with questions [Re: PKDickman] #869610
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Does anyone else have an FBI laboratory tag from the 1960's? Far off question, but one never knows what they will find on the internet smile

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I was told through a detective in a cold case unit out of Florida that the 87 is in fact Interstate Transportation of Stolen Property, K9 is DNA testing of a victim, meaning verifiable items, like photos, etc. Does not mean a "body" per say. 77977 is the case\file number as well. I'm going to stick to my translation that the JK is Jacksonville Florida, since I was right on every other item listed on the tag. Just an FYI to anyone following this story.

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No idea but I think Rachel is still alive, in the pen. Guess it depends how far you want to take it.

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Well, i've contacted Frank Cullotta.....So I guess about that far!

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any updates from anyone?? Can anyone help me with any information if I provide a birth date of either people im researching? Emily Richards or Bruce Richards

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Sure, send me a message.


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I sent one, but I sent it to the wrong person smile Ill send it over now. Thank you for offering help!

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Snakes - Did you get my private message?? I cant tell if i sent it correctly?

Thank you!

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Yes, I did. Sorry, meant to reply back but I have been busy lately. I will give the information another look and see what I can do.


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No Worries. Just wanted to make sure i didn't just send it to myself. Thanks for your time. Can I ask what "sources" you have to research?? Just wondering!

Amy

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Is it possible to upload a video here?? Anyone know how, or ifs its possible?

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