why do you say whats left?, how do you know theyre not a huge force? theyve avoided so many convictions, they have had only 1 snitch in their history. Also they are connected by blood and are very sneaky with killing people who have wronged them.

Do you rate the power of mob familes by how much media attention they get?, im not biting at you just alittle confused.

From what ive read the detroit partnership is much more successful than philly or new england.

why do you say whats left?, how do you know theyre not a huge force? theyve avoided so many convictions, they have had only 1 snitch in their history. Also they are connected by blood and are very sneaky with killing people who have wronged them.

Do you rate the power of mob familes by how much media attention they get?, im not biting at you just alittle confused.

From what ive read the detroit partnership is much more successful than philly or new england.

From what you've read? Read from who? Where?

There are people who don't want to believe it but the clearest sign of a mob family's state - especially over the long term - is indictments. How much of a priority they are for law enforcement. It's not just a coincidence that New York has so many cases, much less so in Boston or Philly, and none in Denver or San Jose.

There's a picture that's been painted of the Detroit mob on these forums in recent years - a sleek, quiet, family who, unlike every other family still around, has somehow managed to stay under the fed's radar. A very hierarchical family with 50 members or more, active in multiple states, and involved in everything including a big chunk of the Detroit drug trade.

Anyone who looks at the evidence objectively can see this is all false. A bunch of hooey.

I say "whats left of the Detroit mob" because mob experts don't agree whether it still rates as a viable family. And even if one wants to include them on the list of 9 or 10 remaining, they would be dead last. 30 members cited in both the mid-1990's during the GamTax case and again in 2001. Since then several have died. And even if the family has made new members in recent years, there's no way they've been able to keep up with those who have died

Look at the cases involving the Detroit mob. What few there are. The last significant one, by Detroit standards anyway, was nearly a decade ago now in 2006. And it was basically a bookmaking and loansharking case.

There have been far more mob cases in both New England and Philadelphia over the same time frame. Those families are not only more active, they are larger too. Probably at least twice the size of Detroit's remaining membership.

If you believe the Detroit mob is a huge force today, I have a bridge to sell you.

ivy you have forgotten about the D`anna brothers who got indicted in 2011 for that restaurant assault and there was in 2013 guys with ties to peter tocco busted the leading guy a irsih guy in the indictment was also indicted with jackie the kid and peter tocco in 2006

alot of rich guys tony lapiana sold his medical company for 50mil last year
but your right is years past its best no union involvement

50 made guys? where have you heard that? i heard it was like 20-30 active made guys. Your all forgetting that the family has been nothing more than a bookmaking operation since the 90s

No, I haven't forgotten about the D'Anna brothers case. But if you want to argue that was a significant bust, that will just prove my point about the state of the Detroit mob.

I'm also aware of the bookmaking bust involving Thomas "Tommy the Lackey" Mackey and several others. It was your typical gambling case and didn't even involve any Detroit members, just associates. But that does go to my point about the family mainly being a gambling operation at this point.



Notice I didn't say "no involvement." And I had a feeling someone was going to come back and be like, "Wait...wait...what about Lapiana???" Yes, the guy made a lot of money from selling his company that serviced unions. And I have no doubt he kicked some of that money up to certain people. But look at the Detroit family as a whole and the lack of labor racketeering cases. There just isn't much left to speak of.



You know Scott - the guy who runs the blog you took your name after? His charts on the forums over the years have shown anywhere from 30 to nearly 60 made members. Only later did he admit he didn't differentiate between members and associates in them, even though one would think he would. But he has said he believes the family has 40 to 50 members. Never mind the fact that he cited 25 in his Motor City Mafia book.

20-30 active members? Doubtful. If we're talking total members, maybe. But even that may be a stretch considering how many have died. It was 30 total back in 2001. A lot of guys have died since then and there's no way the family could keep up with the number of deceased if they even are making new members.

from what i have read of scott i have not seen him say 40-60 made guys before not once not denying it but i would be surprised as i have never seen that

i said 25 because of his book motor city


i dont think its an exaggeration scott has named four capos well even if there crews are small they would have 3-6 made guys in there crews and the detroit mob is scotts expertise

plus in recent articles he has even said that the mob is weakening he said the ruggerio brothers crew is now inactive he said in another that the inner circle is getting smaller due to lack of guys

That last chart that came from scott that got circulated, i think its been like a year or two, there was upwards of 50 members on it, there was almost 10 guys in the administration alone for Christ's sake. Im also dubious of these Danna brothers, i mean they were indicted as associates originally more was made of their sicilian connections than their detroit status. Then when the feds took over the case they were still described as associates. Now just a year or so later scott says theyre both made guys and ones even a captain. Obviously i dont know the truth but as i said, its a little dubious.

from what i have read of scott i have not seen him say 40-60 made guys before not once not denying it but i would be surprised as i have never seen that

i said 25 because of his book motor city


i dont think its an exaggeration scott has named four capos well even if there crews are small they would have 3-6 made guys in there crews and the detroit mob is scotts expertise

plus in recent articles he has even said that the mob is weakening he said the ruggerio brothers crew is now inactive he said in another that the inner circle is getting smaller due to lack of guys

Gambling. FBI doesn't care anymore.

Philly also has plenty of murders and drug dealing. The FBI has better things to do than bust a bunch of bookies to get one year prison terms. That's what they will get unless there is violence involved.

Didn't Nicodemo recently plead guilty to murder?

Yes, he did. But, as I said, there have been plenty of Philly mob cases that had nothing to do with any murders.

The point being, you don't see that many cases in Detroit because what's left of the mob there is nowhere near as big, active, or diversified as some believe it us. You have a few minor cases here and there but the last significant case (by Detroit standards anyway) was nearly 10 years ago. And the last REALLY significant case was nearly 20 years ago.