Does anyone know of any cases of LCN families [in and out of new york] having conflict with other groups? in recent history.

I know gambino's and luchese's had an interesting one with rudaj organisation in the early 00's but know of any else?

Chhers

The only conflict I can think of was in the early 80's when Cuban drug dealers supposedly sent 5 hitmen to NY to wipe out the DeMeo crew if they didn't kill Chris Rosenberg, because he was considered the most responsible for robbing and killing a Cuban drug dealer..

War didn't happen because Roy DeMeo got the order from Castellano to whack Chris, and he did eventually..

Then there was the famous war of Danny Greene with the Cleveland family.
I also read that there were some altercations between the Philly mob and this 1% biker club called The Pagans.

Here's the article:
http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-a...b-38471804.html

cheers man, was that hit team really going to wipe out the demeo crew? seems like a risky move being 5 columbians taking on the mob in the 70s...

Wars is an overstatement. The odd skirmish here or there at most and they're rare. The Rudaj thing was the last case and that was over a decade ago now.

You had some tension over numbers territories between the Luccheses and an offshoot of the Cuban Corporation called "The Company" back in the 1980s before the Luccheses had one of their leaders shot while standing in a movie line.

Before that, you had black numbers operators trying to move in on Lucchese territory in New Jersey in the 1960's before Accetturo reportedly had several of them killed.

And there's others like the ones Billy mentioned above. But they're few and far between and the mob has a much more consistent record of coexisting and even operating with other groups for mutual profit.

Did the Luccheses retaliate against the Cubans for killing a made man? From what I gather it seems that most other OC groups usually have about 20-30 members so I don't understand why they bother taking on LCN families that have 100+ made guys.

No, I meant the Luccheses killed a leader of the Company.

Check out the article below. The part at the end is misleading though. Battle continued to run the Corporation (which the Company broke off from) and he and the LCN didn't have any problems. It was La Compania that butted heads with the Luccheses.

http://www.nytimes.com/1986/03/15/nyregion/crime-group-feud-on-gambling-seen.html

so no LCN families waring with street gangs you know of?, thanks for your replys btw mate

Off the top of my head, no. Well, unless you want to count the recent warfare in Montreal. In the US, they typically run in different social and criminal circles. And the rare times they interact, that I'm aware of, has been for mutual profit. Like the Luccheses smuggling drugs and phones into prison with the Bloods. Or the Genovese counterfeiting money with the Latin Kings.

interesting, cheers for the info ivyleague, where do you find this stuff?

the philly mob had a troubles with the 10th and O gang and the Turras brothers and with the pagans.

I never understood why the Philly mob took shit from smaller gangs. I read about the underboss of the family having his house shot up by a biker gang. Just send some guys to kill a couple of the members and kneecap the rest and thats that.

I thought it was Colombian's that were after Rosenberg? Big difference between Cuban's and Colombian's as the Colombian's had ZERO fear of anybody in the states. They would shoot up 15 to just kill 1.

The charges involving the Bloods first came to light during the arrests of the Lucchese Jersey crew back in 2007.

The charges involving the Latin Kings came out in a 2001 case against the Genovese family. Members of one crew worked with a couple LK guys to distribute $40k worth of $20 bills.

The closest to a real war was probably the Albanians

The Pagans were a real force, not some average gang. It was a real bad look on Scarfo when they shot up Chuckie's house and didn't do anything in retaliation (even if Merlino deserved it). The was the around the time Scarfo was trying to get criminals to pay his street tax.

Why scarfo didn't Nothing against the pagans ? In the 80s the philly mob had the men to start and win a war against the pagans.
White merlino after the war with stanfa don't have the force.

My guess is Scarfo didn't think it was worth going to war with a bunch of crazy bikers. He stood more to lose than anything he could gain from such a conflict. Also, we know he wasn't very happy with Merlino's drinking and probably was pissed at Chucky for getting into that mess in the first place. The only ones who would have won if a war broke out between the mob and Pagans would be law enforcement.

We also have to remember that the two groups had a history of working together, aside from the occasional conflict. The Philly mob had access to supplies of P2P and supplied the Pagans at times to produce meth. Long John Martorano was deeply involved in meth trafficking with the Pagans.

Actually it makes sense really. The Philly mob, if they wanted to could win against the bikers. But it would be a pointless victory, more guys in jail and less money to be made. I just read the full article about the small conflict between the bikers and Merlino and the bikers. It seems to be their claim to fame by making the mob "back down", the truth is they weren't worth their time for the mob to waste their time warring with them and over glorified the situation into a one-percenter legend.

Dude this ain't Montreal, it would have been stupid to go to war in public like that. Ask the Colombo's how that worked out.