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What gun law would have prevented Oregon massacre?
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10/02/15 10:12 PM
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President Obama said we need new and more gun laws because of the mass killings that occur too often. For those who agree with him, what new gun law would you create that could prevent future massacres?
1) Keep in mind that the USA has a Constitution that gives people the right to bear arms. Actually it expresses the right that the Founders already believed existed, the right of self-defense against people trying to kill you, your family and friends, and for the defense of your country and against tyranny.
2) Also keep in mind that the gunman entered a gun-free zone where firearms weren't allowed. He broke that law, and if he murdered people, why is a killer going to care about it. A gun-free zone means that no one else can fire back until police arrive.
3) There is no evidence that the killer was mentally ill, crazy, insane, whatever you want to call it. He didn't have paranoid schizophrenia or some other psychosis, was never hospitalized for mental illness, and was not under the care of a psychiatrist. Nor was he a drug abuser.
So with all those things in mind, what new law would you create?
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Re: What gun law would have prevented Oregon massacre?
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Re: What gun law would have prevented Oregon massacre?
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Former Justice Stevens recommended about a year ago to add the words "when serving in the Militia" to the Second Amendment: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...1245_story.htmlIf that change occurred, I'm sure that within five years we'd have 25 million men serving in paramilitary organizations in this country.
"All of these men were good listeners; patient men."
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Re: What gun law would have prevented Oregon massacre?
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It pisses me off how Obama comes out to make statements and say generic shit like "common sense gun laws" and not lay out a specific plan with a concrete solution. Not that I want a solution from him but that goes for anyone that wants to get on their soap box and go on about common sense gun laws.
I'd like to say ok Mr. predator Drone and Chief, who is protected by the secret services (trained men with guns), what specific law do you recommend here that would have prevented this horrible shooting??
You can't wait to come out and say "I told you so about those guns" but aside from all the generic and misleading talking points and nonsense lines about "gun deaths" as if guns just jump up on their own and decide to murder people, let's hear how to prevent this next time.
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Re: What gun law would have prevented Oregon massacre?
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I sold guns for twenty years, before and after the brady bill, and the nics call in for background check.
when I sold a gun to a person after he was cleared by the background check, the dealers responsibility stops there, we have more gun laws than you even know of, bring back the death penalty.
gun laws are not the issue, the death penalty is, give the death penalty to mass murderers, and you will see a drop off in these killings.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: What gun law would have prevented Oregon massacre?
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10/03/15 11:12 PM
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It appears that gun control is not going to prevent psycho-assholes from carrying out their objectives. So to that point, all guns should be considered in the same vein as dynamite - strictly prohibited. Sorry NRA, sorry Smith and Wesson, sorry Remington, sorry all you other gun manufacturers. Your product prevents me from living life the way our Declaration of Independence saw it. Your greed and self-gratification became irresponsible and reprehensible. The 2nd Amendment - "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." I can't see where that Amendment supports the hoarding of fire arms for use against society to deny citizens the inalienable right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
From the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
In today's society I believe my rights have been denied. Where can I pursue happiness? In a movie theater, in a church, in a college, in an elementary school? End the violence. End the disregard for life.
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, whoever humbles himself will be exalted - Matthew 23:12
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Re: What gun law would have prevented Oregon massacre?
[Re: MaryCas]
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10/04/15 01:03 AM
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Yes, that's the only way that maybe, MAYBE this could've been prevented. Make owning any firearm of any kind illegal and 20 to life for anyone caught with one. But even that won't work since there's hundreds of millions of firearms in circulation or owned by the public already so stopping a suicidal maniac from carrying out something like this isn't going to work because he isn't worried about life in prison. So again, what gun law would prevent this in reality? It appears that gun control is not going to prevent psycho-assholes from carrying out their objectives. So to that point, all guns should be considered in the same vein as dynamite - strictly prohibited. Sorry NRA, sorry Smith and Wesson, sorry Remington, sorry all you other gun manufacturers. Your product prevents me from living life the way our Declaration of Independence saw it. Your greed and self-gratification became irresponsible and reprehensible. The 2nd Amendment - "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." I can't see where that Amendment supports the hoarding of fire arms for use against society to deny citizens the inalienable right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
From the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
In today's society I believe my rights have been denied. Where can I pursue happiness? In a movie theater, in a church, in a college, in an elementary school? End the violence. End the disregard for life.
Your line of thinking is flawed here. You aren't guaranteed happiness. You can pursue it. And in theory, the government isn't supposed to stop you or interfere with it. Of course that isn't the case in reality or I wouldn't have to pay an income tax. Yes in all those gun free zones like colleges and other schools, you're denied your right to self defense or to be defended by a good person with firearm. But it doesn't follow that people who want to own weapons have a disregard for life. In most cases quite the opposite. Increases in gun ownership and the liberalization of gun laws have NOT correlated with increases in crime or violence. Other cultural factors play a role in increases in violence, not guns themselves. WHY ignore root problems?
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Re: What gun law would have prevented Oregon massacre?
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The number of responsible gun owners exceeds the number of whack jobs who own guns, so making all guns illegal will not stop anything just make it so those of us who own guns can no longer defend ourselves.
I think first thing we should do is mandatory sentences for anyone who is in possession of a firearm illegally (I know on this particular case the guns were panes legally I'm speaking in general). Unfortunately the dems will never support that idea, special interest groups who control them would spin that and say it is probably racist, saying something along the lines of "white people targeting minorities again."
If you go on netflix now you can watch a show called The Killer Speaks, I say don't
make these murderers famous don't give them the attention they want. It is sad that I know the names of the individuals committing these horrendous acts and I don't know any of the victims names.
I have not been watching the news or paying attention tp any politics for a few months now, but I can only assume Dianne Feinstein is talking about abolishing guns and Hilary wi try and use this to boost her campaign, using people's emotion and dead bodies to try and get elected, I could be 100% wrong though.
The Dude: And, you know, he's got emotional problems, man.
Walter Sobchak: You mean... beyond pacifism?
Walter Sobchak: This guy f*cking walks. I've never been so sure of anything in my entire life
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Re: What gun law would have prevented Oregon massacre?
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10/04/15 02:06 PM
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That is not exactly true. Chicago yes but only in the black areas not the white areas.
Nyc the murder rate was low after Giuliani became mayor. But I think it will go up because of deblasio bull shit changes. I just hope nothing happens to deblasio and his nice family. How does someone marries a proclaimed lesbian like his wife. That may be how you feel FT, but you must abide by the facts.."see professor John Lott's work in this area...you may find it helpful.
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Re: What gun law would have prevented Oregon massacre?
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10/19/15 05:38 PM
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What evidence do you have that says more guns and weapons legally owned create a more violent society?
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