The new film Legend is supposed to depict the Kray's working for Angelo Bruno, I know he was an ally of the Kray's but:

A. I doubt the Boss of a small U.S family could extend his reach that far
B. Reggie and Ronnie didn't like to take orders unless it was from each other

What do you guys think?

They were not working for Angelo Bruno, it was an agreement or partnership I suppose

They moved bearer bonds for Bruno, and acted as muscle in regards some clubs that Bruno had invested in. They were very friendly with a lot of Americans so were trusted

Bruno was close with Gambino and had interests all over world because of it.Krays were used as muscle for one or two spots he had in London.Philly Mob was always small but the havn't always been short on money. Philly economy has struggled lately and they brought in alot more when economy was healthy and Bruno was running show.

Ron Kray was said to have went to the United States to see Bruno to work on London contacts etc etc to the USA, most people who knew or did work with the Krays lads say they was overrated,

Not long before the Kray's were arrested their own men had a meeting in a restaurant were a plan was set out to kill both Ron and Reggie Kray, Charlie Kray was not to be killed by the ploters.

I recall a rat who went queen's evidence at the Kray trial in a documentary saying people were talking of killing the both twins and it easy to do etc etc.I did not take what the rat was saying as fact as a rat is a rat in my eyes and their witness evidence is always self serving statement on till i was looking at a documentary on quest faces of the underworld,

Freddie Foreman said if the Kray's Ron and Reggie had not been arrested plans to kill them had been ready since the restaurant meeting, They was going to be killed because they was putting people in danger of arrested by their actions they had no brains he said, Freddie went on to say Jack the hat Mcvitie was left on his doorstep as just one example of the Kray's putting people in danger of getting arrested.

Freddie Foremen once said in a book i think it was that who kills people with a room full of witness's they has no brains.

Just to say i do not recall if the rat was on about this restaurant plot because he said people talked about killing them all the time Albert Donoghue is the rat doing the talking.

Bit in this article claiming the mafia sent a wreath to Reggie Krays funeral



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/9-things-you-never-knew-6357210

read brunos point man in this was frankie flowers and this was also ray patriarcas thing they split. gambling in england. the feds released patriarca files to a rhode island paper thats been leaking 100 pages a week of 10000, and there only in 1961 so far. anyhting after 1962 is when the feds got on the ball and started the informant program scapra and steve flemmi both started in 1962 as well as alot of others who will be guessing.

Ridiculous, typical nonsense from the mirror, all of the newspapers worldwide are complete jokes but the Mirror is up there with the worst, they ran a story not long back about the Kray Twins being secret lovers They will print anything to sell papers.

The American Mafia-Kray relationship was always overrated, the Krays were thick as pig shit, were they tough guys? Absolutely, they were clearly feared, but business sense? Nah. Protecting a few of Bruno's clubs is as far as that relationship went.

However dude was played bain in the batman movie and mad max playing the kray dude I read hes slowly taking over America the chicks love him ala my girl. Im saying he should be the next 007 can't give it to the red head dude from Holland or the stringer bell from the wire. Get some good movies under ya belt before you think you could be bond. Also you can't be American so my friends affleck n Jason Bourne get outa here.

I think the film with Tom Hardy playing both the twins is going to be a cracker


Its not a documentary, its entertainment of course, just like goodfellas bigged up some of the characters

James Bond has been English, Irish, Scottish and Australian. I don't know why they can't give it to an American.

If it matters that much what bloodline he comes from then there are plenty of W.A.S.P. American actors they can give it to - like Affleck.

It's not like they don't give every single role steeped in Americana (Batman, Superman, Spiderman) to some public schoolboy with little to no prior acting experience.

Are you telling me that with a population of 300 America can't produce better actors than Andrew Garfield and Henry Cavill?

Please.

Anyone know the names of the clubs in London that the US mob had an interest in back in the day?

Had read the name of some clubs, it was casino's where they mob investment was, will try and find out

There were also others with strong links to the mafia, I know Joey Pyle was well respected on both sides of the Atlantic

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/...n-legendlegends

They were two dunces if this article and the comments section are anything to go by - and it's safe to say they are.

They were also child rapists.

Quite a legend that has been built around them.

They were showmen, got to give them that.

I dont know much about the krays but I read somewhere they were gay and did some really fucked up stuff I dont understand how those guys got respect in the underworld esp back then hell even now you would never be accepted

Only Ronnie was gay. They weren't respected, they were feared. Both Physcho's who were extremely good with there fists and would kill you on the spot. I'm sure you heard about the dude who called Ronnie a 'Fat puff' he got a bullet in his head, no hesitation.

Was it ronnie who when in prison was up to some real fucked up stuff who ended up in the mental asylum who was raping all the freaks in there I read about it and I was shocked. I thought one of them turned from straight into being gay when he was in the can and other one was already gay either way it's a disgrace that Bruno even sat down with them. Yearh I heard they were nutjobs got done for stabbing a guy to death am I right

What happened to the third brother I know ronnie and reggie died but don't know what happened to him I read they tortured the poor guy the brother cos he was not a nut job like the other two but I don't know much about these two only read couple of articles

Someone said in the Guardian comments section that Reggie admitted to homosexual tendencies in his final interview (or maybe I wasn't paying enough attention and he was on about Ronnie). I'm fairly sure Reggie. Either way more than one person alluded to it.

Having read that article, I find it extremely hard to believe any Italian-American crime family would have anything to do with them.

Lots of articles are being written, also lots of people spouting rubbish to try and get themselves some publicity. None of them would be saying that when the twins were still alive, they would make one call from jail and someone would pay for it!

Ronnie had no problem with his sexuality, it was Cornell who called him a fat proof and he paid for it with a bullet in the head.

Whether people like them or loath them, they had respect from many very serious people and you don't get that by just being bar room brawlers..

250 thousand people lined the route of Ronnies funeral, I think that's the stuff of legend!

Yeah that seems to sum up the pro-Kray argument: "Yeah..... well they would beat you up!".

Sums up those who would slag them, basically those who don't have a clue..

It sounds to me like they were fearsome people, albeit lacking in acumen, albeit morons who would kill someone in a room full of witnesses - hence why they spent the majority of their lives locked up.

They were a brand. Their reputation is far greater than the reality.

They had no long-term perspective.

It was just all brawn and no brains.

You would swear they were the Carlo Gambino or Meyer Lansky of the East End.

It was a golden time for London crime, when the Kray firm got locked up, the Tibbs firm came after them


The eastend has never really been touched since by the cops, thats why the Essex boys got done as they ripped of certain people from Canning town...

British, do you think they got the right people for the Essex boys murder case? I read people are pretty much split on this argument.

I know a couple of people from the area, and everyone says it's the wrong guys who got locked up for it. They have refused to make any admission and will not get parole, so if they had done it I would say they would take the opportunity to get out.

Ronnies funeral
http://youtu.be/iG_62SSJitY

Reg's funeral
http://youtu.be/AwfW-CMBIxk

Charlie's funeral
http://youtu.be/TTQCDwQykbg

Their mothers funeral
http://youtu.be/YZNOh6PYjek


The legend that was Joey Pyle's funeral
http://youtu.be/Uxf9RwARJBo

Are there any theories on who really did the crime?

Thousands of people attended Jade Goody's funeral too, British.

Dozens of theories. But the Essex guys fucked over so many people (and serious, and I do mean really fucking serious characters were among the people they fucked over) it was only a matter of time before they got clipped.