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http://www.newstalk.com/Four-dead-in-suspected-car-bombing-in-Gothenburg-Sweden

http://www.rt.com/news/310757-sweden-malmo-blasts-crime/

Sweden’s 3rd largest city hit by multiple blasts, police plead for help to tackle violence spike.

Four grenade attacks this week have rocked Malmo, the third largest city in Sweden, prompting police to sound an alarm over the increasing violence. Multiple explosions, shootings and arson struck the city, which has a large migrant population.
On Sunday, the southern Swedish city of Malmo saw the fourth grenade attack in under a week as the a hand grenade was detonated in a car park in the district of Värnhem in the morning, local media reported.

The attack came after a blast on Friday in the Solbacken neighborhood, which occurred less than 12 hours after another explosion in the residential area of Limhamn in the west, and two days after a car bomb attack that injured a man outside a community center in the south.

“It is the thirtieth explosive attack since the New Year. We have a situation that is serious,” said the Malmö police chief, Stefan Sintéus, about the explosion on Friday, as quoted by the Local.se on Saturday.

The local police have called for expert help from the national police operational department. “We have asked for shared expertise on various issues,” said Lars Förstell, a spokesperson for the city’s police, as quoted by the media.

This week’s unrest continues a series of numerous shootings, explosions and arsons that have occurred since the beginning of the year in Malmo, infamous for high crime rates, multi-ethnic and gang-related violence.

Since the beginning of 2015, 18 explosions rocked the city prompting the Swedish police's national bomb squad (NSB) to be called in. Over the whole 2014 a total of 25 explosions took place which shows a significant increase, Goran Mansson, head of NSB Malmo, told regional newspaper Sydsvenskan on Friday.

Police said they believe this week’s explosions are linked with the court sentencing of three young men on July 10 for their roles in the Christmas Eve bombing in Rosengard – the city district which has been dubbed by media as Sweden’s “most notorious refugee ghetto.” The Financial Times reported that nine out of 10 in Rosengard have a foreign background.

Following the spike in violence in the neighborhood in June, police announced that they would step up their presence in known trouble-hit areas such as Rosengard and Seved.

Rosengard, a district in Malmo, was built in the 1960s and has long been associated with immigrants. Over 80 percent of residents there are immigrants, hailing from the Middle East, Africa and Eastern Europe. Only 38 percent of residents in the district are employed, according to the Economist, prompting restive youth to take to rioting and crime.

Local authorities maintain they have already managed to revamp Rosengard's image. “Many visible and physical changes are taking place, and residents are getting involved through participatory processes to bring about ecological, social and economically sustainable development.”

Forstell told RT that there are 30 to 40 people with criminal background and weapons in the city. He explained that criminal activity is connected with internal conflicts between different gangs or ethnic groups.

“Some of these people are involved in selling drugs and some of them are in other kinds of economic relations with each other and are not happy with the way things work out. It’s more of a business-like conflict,” he said.

According to statistics provided by local authorities, 31 percent of the city’s 300, 000 population were born abroad and nearly 41 percent of the residents have a foreign background. The main countries from which immigration takes place are ones which have been recently plagued by conflicts – migrant groups from Iraq, Syria, the former Yugoslavia and Somalia are among them. The data also says that the Muslim population constitutes about 20 percent of Malmo’s population; this is one of the most significant percentages in Scandinavian cities.

Adrian Groglopo, professor of social science at the University of Gothenburg said that the conflicts are fueled by racial and economic tensions.

“People growing up in different areas segregated racially and economically are trying to keep their own business, protect their own areas and sometimes create a very violent climate,” he told RT.

Malmo is a rather young city and its population is mostly young as well, with almost half under the age of 35, according to local authorities.

In March, a secondary school Varner Ryden in Malmo’s Rosengard had to close due to increasing tensions between students that resulted in violence. "Fighting among the students means that security can't be guaranteed," said Catharina Niwhede at the National Union of Teachers in Malmo to the local Sydsvenskan daily. A nearby Ortagard school closed last autumn as well.

Groglopo believes that the young population is being hit the hardest by the “racism and segregation in Sweden.”

“We have living conditions which are not good for the youth, that’s one of the problems,” he explains.

He also pointed to the problem of unemployment in Sweden which is “about 8-9 percent and for young people it’s about 25 percent.” He stressed that one of the main problems is ethnic discrimination in the labor market as most of the unemployed are “not Swedes.”

“In the last 15 years the gap between the rich and the poor has grown enormously and of course it has racial connotations – you find very rich people that are white people and the poor people are non-white people,” he added.

He urged the Swedish government to implement political measures for non-discrimination. There have been controversial incidents involving security forces and refugees, among which was the February case at the Malmo train station. The incident involved a refugee child reciting an Islamic prayer and a law enforcement officer who pushed the child onto the ground, sat on him holding his hands over his mouth. A further child watching the altercation was detained by the other guard.

Though the actions of the guards caused a nationwide stir, in April the prosecutors said that they will not be charged.

“Sweden is going through political period very complex and bad,” Groglopo said. “We [are witnessing] a raise of fascism and Nazism in Sweden…they are getting political power.”

Two major polls (by YouGov for Sweden's Metro newspaper and Novus) conducted in June showed that the far-right anti-immigration party ‘Sweden Democrats’ has the support of about 20 percent of Swedish voters.

Meanwhile, according to figures from the EU's statistics watchdog, Eurostat, issued in May, Sweden has been taking in a larger share of asylum seekers than any other EU state compared to its existing population size. Sweden’s population is about 9.6 million while in 2014 asylum was granted to more than 33,000 refugees, the report said

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http://www.newstalk.com/Four-dead-in-suspected-car-bombing-in-Gothenburg-Sweden

Four dead in suspected car bombing in Gothenburg, Sweden
One of the victims was a well-known criminal gang leader in the city, according to local news reports.




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Originally Posted By: abc123
“Sweden is going through political period very complex and bad,” Groglopo said. “We [are witnessing] a raise of fascism and Nazism in Sweden…they are getting political power.”


Ah, so typically Swedish. It's not that the multiculturalist experiment failed, it's the raise of Nazism. Cause and effect are always backwards in that religion.

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He stressed that one of the main problems is ethnic discrimination in the labor market as most of the unemployed are “not Swedes.”

Another one of my favorites. It's not that the majority of immigrants lack not only the language skills, but education. It's the discrimination. It really amazes me how rare it is that persons even in high positions have the intelligence to put together even remotely coherent view of the world that isn't full of contradictions and magical thinking.

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if most of the unemployed are not swedes, then who are they?

and why were they let in the country in the first place?



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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
if most of the unemployed are not swedes, then who are they?

and why were they let in the country in the first place?


Africans and arabs mostly. They're let in because of European guilt. So it's to "help", even though it really doesn't help anything. The ideology goes that if we move the poor people from the third world to the rich west, nobody has to be poor anymore. People are lunatics.

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Sure we have problems in Sweden with integration. But in all, we have very little problems compared to most major cities in the US. In the 90s a big mc fight ravaged in and around Malmö, I sure didnt hear the SD people talk in terms of the nation going under then. Maybe because SD was a nazi party back then and was marginalized. Now they have 20% of the votes (mostly people in rural areas, far away from the major cities) and THAT worries at least me.

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Originally Posted By: goldhawkroad
Sure we have problems in Sweden with integration. But in all, we have very little problems compared to most major cities in the US. In the 90s a big mc fight ravaged in and around Malmö, I sure didnt hear the SD people talk in terms of the nation going under then. Maybe because SD was a nazi party back then and was marginalized. Now they have 20% of the votes (mostly people in rural areas, far away from the major cities) and THAT worries at least me.


You'd be better off with the SD. This multiculturalism bullshit you're nanny state has been pushing since the 80s has backfired majorly and anyone can see that. The real solution is to stop letting in these Arabs and Africans into your country and try to assimilate to rest who actually have something to contribute.

Swedish culture and Muslim/African culture is like oil and water. They don't mix

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Originally Posted By: goldhawkroad
Sure we have problems in Sweden with integration. But in all, we have very little problems compared to most major cities in the US.


last time I’ve checked the usa and sweden were two extremely different nations making any comparison quite frivolous

brushing off your issues with a simple "but we're better off than america" doesn't make them less relevant.

by swedish standards what’s happening in goteborg is serious…and, in all honesty, it would even be for america at this point

the usa have very little problems with ''integration'' per se. tensions are due to the fringe minority made of bad apples. hispanics, eastern europeans, middle easterns, central and southeastern asians are climbing up the social scale at a tremendous pace.

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The MC gangs were put in prison. The police are afraid to arrest Africans and Arabs for fear of being labeled racist. It isn't the SD or MC that made Swedish cities the rape capital of Europe.

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The MC gangs were put in prison. The police are afraid to arrest Africans and Arabs for fear of being labeled racist. It isn't the SD or MC that made Swedish cities the rape capital of Europe.


"The rape capitals of Europe". Are you f*cking serious? Have you been here? We are by far the greatest country in Europe to live in. Of course I wouldnt like to live in certain parts of Mamö but I wouldnt not like to live in South Central, South Bronx or Cabrini Green either. The murder rate in whole of Sweden an average year is around 100, thats 3 times less than that of New York.

A larger number of the immigrants are self employed in various service businesses and working hard. The ones that are not and are totally unwilling to adopt should of course pack up and leave but they are not the big percentage.

Come on now, give me another lecture on my own country that you know so much about.

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So you're saying the Swedish media and police are lying about Sweden's rape statistics?

You keep importing third world peopke until you achieve your goal of creating the Bronx or Cabrini Green in your own cities so you can be proud of it. Those immigrant riots in Stockholm didn't happen right? Claiming your country has no problems because others gave problems is silly.

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Why dont you give me the statistics? And it must be from a real source, not from one of those SD propaganda sites. And why should the rapists automatically be immigrants? Our latest convicted 3 or 4 serial rapists have all been native swedes.

Where did I write we dont have any problems with integration in Sweden? Please read my posts.

Im from Stockholm which is the only major city in Sweden (Malmö is not that big) and we have had problems with segregations the last 40 years. Its nothing new. At the same time we are depending on a certain number of immigrants since we are a fairly small country. I would personally throw out everyone fighting for isis and people with radical religious views but the truth is the majority of the immigrants are contributing. And in contrast to "the farmers" in SD I have friends from different places in the world and they are very well integrated in the swedish Society. You cant judge a book by its cover. Everyone are not the same you know.

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This picture shows the swedish churces (blue) and the muslim moskés (red) in Sweden today. Guess it does not fit very well into SDs propaganda..,

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I'm sure you understand that there are more than 4 mosques in Sweden. Not that it's important. To me the Swedish people can do whatever they want, it's not my problem. I just hope those attitudes stay in Sweden and don't come across the border to where I'm from.

More than immigration I hate the speech about immigration, the absolute bullshit nonsense that most politicians and activists spew. And of course the amusing fact that the liberals really are never worried about the violent outbursts of immigrants, only the anti-immigration parties are dangerous. I'm in France now and just a couple of weeks ago on the national day the immigrants (or "youth" as it is reported) burned 160 cars in Paris, as to show what they think about their new country. During the last month there have been news about plotted and attempted terrorist strikes in mainland France every week. There are soldiers with assault riffles on every train- and metro station, every airport. Yet they're worried about Le Pen. Well guess what, the soldiers are not there for Le Pen. Again, I don't care about what the French do either. Every country gets what it deserves based on the politics they do. Just it is painful to listen to this crap. Maybe we should just get it over with, take 10, 20, 30 million (whatever is "enough" for us to be liberal and responsible) immigrants from the third world and then everybody could be happy.

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There are 5 or 6 moskés that are built as moskés, a lot more "inofficial" in basements and stuff like that. Im not "liberal" and I dont like many aspects of the muslim culture but the problem with your kind is that you tend to treat a huge group of people as potential or actual fanatics. I know many "muslims" that dont give a shit about religion. They work and pay taxes, even supporting our national team in football. Are you putting these people in the same pot as those the fundamentalists?

We have a very dark history of nazis here in Europe, maybe thats because many people cant stand the likes of SD. Youre not the answer to anything.

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Well this subject is really not something that we can discuss in reality, I have tried it too many times with too many people to know that in 2 second it becomes personal and not constructive (as you already started by using expressions such as "people like you" and "you are not the answer to anything"). It is a subject where you can simply state your opinion and flip the middle finger, but it's very boring and old now.

When discussing the problems of immigration it is completely irrelevant what the non-problematic people do. I understand very well that people of all ethnicities smile, kiss babies and work. I am currently staying in an area with about 80% black and arab people, so I see it very well with my own eyes. I'm sure you also live with the immigrants, no? Mass immigration causes big problems, and mass immigration form very different cultures causes very big problems. It has always been that way and always will. By the way it's completely natural, it's some kind of weird bubble that some people live in where they think it would be a smooth process. Now to start asking the truly important questions, such as why IS immigration so important (at least to you) to begin with that we should do it so much even though it causes so many problems. But again it's a 50 year old argument that everyone has heard a thousand times. We will disagree because we have different view of the world as a whole.

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Yeah, I have lived in immigrant areas. Clearly being a social tourist in the suburbs of Paris has made you an expert though.

Why IS immigration is important to me? I hate IS and everything it stands for. But I also cant stand your talk of "massimmigration". EU has taken a 2% of the syrians refugees for example and you people turn that into terms of "massimmigration". Yes there is a problem element Among muslims, but there are extremists everywhere.

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I'm not a social tourist. I'm not in Paris. Other than that, ok, if you don't consider the amount of immigrants coming to Europe as masses, then we define things differently.

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In 1880-1920 some 1,5 million Swedes emigrated to the USA due to extreme poverty in the homeland. My grandfather was one of them. We soon became one of the dominating etnic groups in many american cities. In Chicago I think we were outnumbered only by the italians, poles, germans and the irish. We had our own enclaves. Cabrini Green was 140 years ago Swedetown, before it became Little Sicily and then the housing project which is now demolished.

In 1920 we were well over 120 thousand only in Chicago, first and second generation. We didnt fit well with many etnic groups, for example the italians. We didnt accept the american churches. We built over 40 only in Chicago. When the "dark people" came (the sicilians) we moved further north and established us in Anderssonville and Lakeview and places like that. Swedish enclaves. Many of us worked hard and were legit people. Others were not. Some didnt bother to learn english and at one time in history you could stroll down Chicago Avenue only to hear various Swedish dialects. I know for a fact that the americans at different places in history hated both the irish and the italians and looked upon them as lowlifes. Sure they did the same with us Swedes. We were the immigrants, the ones unwilling to adopt. And now 100 + years later, what is the scary heritage of us Swedes? Maybe some blue and yellow watertowers on the northside and some senile old fucks remminising about something they never quite been: Swedish. The Swedes are now american cause their kids and grandkids were eventually absored by the american culture.

But I guess its another story with "the arabs". Or not.

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Originally Posted By: goldhawkroad
But I guess its another story with "the arabs".


You are absolutely correct. It is an entirely other story with todays humanitarian immigration. I think we can all agree that from today's perspective the colonial adventures in the history of European people weren't the best of ideas. It's just very difficult to change it now, hundreds of years later. Has absolutely nothing to do with this particular question though.

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Ok lets close this thread my friend. We have an entierly different outlook on life and after all this is a Gangster forum, not a political site.

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Originally Posted By: goldhawkroad
Ok lets close this thread my friend. We have an entierly different outlook on life and after all this is a Gangster forum, not a political site.


Yes, that's what I said, different view of how the world is. Nothing wrong with that though, it's same with every political question.

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But I guess its another story with "the arabs". Or not.
It isn't, I can assure you. I come from an immigrant family in the Netherlands and I have a plenty of Arab and African friends. We are integrating slower than the Europeans did in America thats just it. There are a lot kids that don't know how to speak their mother tongue, that don't go to the mosque or even hang out with their ''own'' kind. In a few generations they will be part of European society. An example, I speak fluent Turkish, but my younger brother doesn't and there is only a difference of 4 years between us.


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