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Re: Scarfo did NOT understand LCN....
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07/19/15 06:30 PM
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He was also a cross dresser. Are you posting here just to discuss your turn-ons or do you actually have something substantial to say (and just haven't done so yet)? If you're here to make an ass of yourself you have succeeded and it's now time for you to go somewhere else more suited for for your posting style.
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Re: Scarfo did NOT understand LCN....
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07/20/15 01:44 AM
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Actually I think Bonnano was right on the money about the "tradition", or the life as its called. Its Not ABOUT MONEY,if you want to just make money you can go to college.The life is about Power, and money is a by-product of that power. Bruno had money, but when Carlo died his power died with him. Narducci had money, Testa had the power, and thats why there was a clash, cause Narducci understood the money without the power was useless. How many times has a new boss broken a wealthy capo? I know its a sore subject on these boards, but this is why the bronx luchesses never shoulda stood for Casso and Amuso. Whats it matter if you are wealthy if the new boss can just wack you? There is a quote in The Prince, something like, a Prince can be wealthy, but someone with more strenght can come and take that wealth from you. Look at the Inzerillos vs the Coleonesi, Money vs Power, POWER USUALLY WINS....
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Re: Scarfo did NOT understand LCN....
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07/20/15 07:08 AM
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Let me add this: Little Nicky also correctly understood that someone living that lifestyle would probably end up whacked or in prison....so Nicky chose prison. If you look at the roster of mafiosi in prison, it is filled with the toughest of them that couldn't easily be eliminated on the street. To fully understand and live by cosa nostra is to adopt all their rules, not pick and choose which ones suit u best. Yes I agree he did his time, but like a lot of street guys and non LCN affiliated street guys, the code of the streets remains strong. Or I'm suspecting Scarfo liked Gotti cared more about their reputation than they did about ratting. Plus, Scarfo still had his son on the streets... If he turned rat, who was going to protect nicky jr? Amuso certainly wouldn't LCN is all a myth, scarfo whacked his good friend's kid (Salvie). Where is the loyalty in that. testa sr was caught on tape saying "mr joe tried get this kid killed (scarfo), thank god I was around many times"
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Re: Scarfo did NOT understand LCN....
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07/20/15 07:22 AM
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Not for nothing Bruno has a lot of bodies you don't know about . His selection in those murders was different from Nick . Bruno gave the go ahead to kill a judge here on the main strip in front of 50 locals . For sure, without a doubt. We only hear about murders via media or someone turning stoolie. But the body count behind the scenes is always much higher But Scarfo went out of his way to clip guys. And both crazy phil & nicky crow said he loved doing it in public. The more attention it got, the happier he was "he wanted to hear noise" He loved being in the papers. If he understood anything about LCN, he should know media attention isn't one of them.
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Re: Scarfo did NOT understand LCN....
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07/20/15 12:02 PM
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Not for nothing Bruno has a lot of bodies you don't know about . His selection in those murders was different from Nick . Bruno gave the go ahead to kill a judge here on the main strip in front of 50 locals . For sure, without a doubt. We only hear about murders via media or someone turning stoolie. But the body count behind the scenes is always much higher But Scarfo went out of his way to clip guys. And both crazy phil & nicky crow said he loved doing it in public. The more attention it got, the happier he was "he wanted to hear noise" He loved being in the papers. If he understood anything about LCN, he should know media attention isn't one of them. Wasn't it after the Falcone murder right after Phil shot him didn't Scarf start getting as giddy as a schoolgirl and kept saying "I fucking LOVE this! I LOVE murder, just absolutely LOVE IT" then proceeded to get absolutely fall down drunk?
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Re: Scarfo did NOT understand LCN....
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07/20/15 07:50 PM
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Diggin the eggplant posts lol Feel free to follow him elsewhere. We don't need or want assholes here.
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Re: Scarfo did NOT understand LCN....
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07/20/15 09:43 PM
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Then why are you here SC? To weed out assholes. Bye!
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Re: Scarfo did NOT understand LCN....
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07/20/15 10:18 PM
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Wait why is he an asshole? Because he likes eggplant and said nicky scarfo is a cross dresser lol
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Re: Scarfo did NOT understand LCN....
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07/21/15 01:41 AM
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On the Bonnano thing, people forget a few things; First Lucky, Al Capone, these guys were NOT COSA NOSTRA, they were Italian-American criminal businessmen that got absorbed into the dominant underworld system of its time. Bonnano was like a third generation mafia gangster from a bonafide clan in sicily,It was Bonnanos connections there that enabled Luciano to sit down with the bosses.Another thing, you should read The First Family, the book about the Morellos and Terranovas, this Lucky invented the Commision thing is a huge myth...
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Re: Scarfo did NOT understand LCN....
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07/21/15 05:18 AM
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First, The MAFIA is a contradiction; secret society but everyone knows, men of honor who will kill or betray a best friend at the drop of a hat,respect your wives but keep a side piece,readiness to kill yet exquisitely polite,amoral gangster loving family man, I could go on forever..But as far as Bonnano I was just quoting his theory on the mafia being based on power and not money, which is right on the money, why you see brokesters like Gotti, Scarfo, even guys like Rastelli become bosses. Now as far as Bonnanos connections, it was always well known that was the most sicilian clan. Remember Lucky was in jail in America for 10 years, during this time he has no connects to sicily, lecarra friddi was never a power, shit Vito is much better connected in Italy at this point in time. So Coppolas business is his, not like hes running it for Lucky.When Lucky got out and deported, he met with Gambino in Italy in 1948. Why Gambino? Why not Vito? Cause he cant trust Vito. Profaci, Bonnano,Gambino, these guys had powerful contacts, relatives in sicily that trandcend business, much more of a family thing. See Luckys Power, not his title of boss his power is in flux at this period in time. On top of this Lucky didnt really respect the mafia tradition as such, he played lip service to it for the sake of business, he actually thought it was an impediment. Coppola was much closer to Detroit during the luciano jail years, and being that he was arguably the top man in the business, its likely they were competitors in the drug trade, not allies. I think you are saying Lucianos pressence legitimized Bonnano at the meeting, when I think it was the other way around... basically Bonnano had more pull in sicily, Lucky more in the States but even that was changing at this point..
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Re: Scarfo did NOT understand LCN....
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07/21/15 06:57 AM
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Its a known fact Luciano & Coppola were allies, not just in drugs but they were close friends. Before that Grand Hotel meeting EVER happened, Luciano was known to have been meeting with Outfit guys like Jim Emery, and Dominick Roberto (who was also deported back to Italy), and that they sought him out for the drug market and transport. Same thing goes for representatives from Milwaukee as well as other LCN strongholds.
I didn't say Luciano's presence at that meeting legitimized Bonanno, nor do I think I implied it. But you seem to be taking Joe Bonannos own words in his book as straight unbiased fact. When its been proven that Bonanno lied about a lot of things to preserve this image he had of himself as the "good, honest, upstanding and almighty powerful mob boss". He certainly wasn't at that meeting to legitimize Luciano, as Luciano didn't need it.
Again, Luciano & Gambino were closer than what you seem to be implying. They both shared similar views of money coming first, and Luciano NEVER saw eye to eye with Genovese, who was a subordinate to Luciano, which ties more into Luciano & Gambino meeting in Sicily, as opposed to GeGenovese, if such meeting ever happened. Luciano was in jail while Genovese was Italy. And while Luciano was in Italy, Genovese was in NY. Why would Luciano meet with him when at the time, he was collaborating with Costello & Anastasia against Genovese and his bids to oust Costello? That wouldn't make much sense.
Regardless, bottom line is this, Joe Bonanno simply DID NOT legitimize Charles Luciano. Luciano belonged to NY's LCN before he and Bonanno even met, according to Bonannos own words, they were just on opposite sides. Luciano didn't need Bonanno for legitimization.
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Re: Scarfo did NOT understand LCN....
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07/21/15 01:42 PM
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First, The MAFIA is a contradiction; secret society but everyone knows, men of honor who will kill or betray a best friend at the drop of a hat,respect your wives but keep a side piece,readiness to kill yet exquisitely polite,amoral gangster loving family man, I could go on forever..But as far as Bonnano I was just quoting his theory on the mafia being based on power and not money, which is right on the money, why you see brokesters like Gotti, Scarfo, even guys like Rastelli become bosses. Now as far as Bonnanos connections, it was always well known that was the most sicilian clan. Remember Lucky was in jail in America for 10 years, during this time he has no connects to sicily, lecarra friddi was never a power, shit Vito is much better connected in Italy at this point in time. So Coppolas business is his, not like hes running it for Lucky.When Lucky got out and deported, he met with Gambino in Italy in 1948. Why Gambino? Why not Vito? Cause he cant trust Vito. Profaci, Bonnano,Gambino, these guys had powerful contacts, relatives in sicily that trandcend business, much more of a family thing. See Luckys Power, not his title of boss his power is in flux at this period in time. On top of this Lucky didnt really respect the mafia tradition as such, he played lip service to it for the sake of business, he actually thought it was an impediment. Coppola was much closer to Detroit during the luciano jail years, and being that he was arguably the top man in the business, its likely they were competitors in the drug trade, not allies. I think you are saying Lucianos pressence legitimized Bonnano at the meeting, when I think it was the other way around... basically Bonnano had more pull in sicily, Lucky more in the States but even that was changing at this point.. This is the point the american mafia isn't the sicilian mafia. Until the max trial even the politics say that the mafia don't exist; Valachi speak of the mafia on tv in Italy the first pentito Leonardo Vitale spoke of the mafia-politic ties in the 70s but was considered crazy made 10 years in an asylum, and when he came out was killed in the 1984. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_of_GlassScarfo didn't understand LCN ? Yes of course When the answers to everything is kill,kill,kill your men do not trust each other, they think he is my friend but if t Scarfo will order to kill me, my friend will do it, the decline of Scarfo as boss began after the killing of Salvie Testa which sent the message, " no matter who you are, even my most trusted man, if you are a danger (or I think so) to me I will kill you. When Caramandi tried that 'extortion using the name of Scarfo, he was, say later he was ready to get up to 20 years in prison but the idea that it would certainly be killed for using his name, convinced him to become a rat. The simple fact of how put chuckie merlino against the Salvie is a sign of his doubleness, I will liken him to Toto Riina for his thirst for blood. At the end of Scarfo reign after dozen of dead,part of the admistration get long sentence and the other half flips,Scarfo jr must escape from philly for never return and the way is open for the reign of Skinny Joey Merlino.
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Re: Scarfo did NOT understand LCN....
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07/23/15 12:14 PM
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Couple things, when Luciano is in jail from 36 to 46, how is he allies with Coppola? You aren't confusing trigger Mike are you? Second Lucky was Not part of the mafia before Bonnano, Bonnano was a third generation mobster. Lucky joined the mob with Masseria, he had to fully commit after maranzano, but even after this he was still closest to Jewish racketeers. The point I was making was that Bonnano, just naturally had more contacts in Sicily than Lucky. Same for the Castellanos, Gambinos, profaci... Guys like Costello, Luciano, they were more interested in assimilation. And about the Bonnano lies? They all fuckin lie, lol. Especially about the drug thing, you ever read Tommasso Bucettas response when asked about Lcn and drugs? And this is from the Boss of Two Worlds or whatever.. Also, it's curious to me that everyone dismisses Bonnanos book outright, yet it was credible enough to get the whole commission locked up, that don't really jive... I also think you might be misunderstanding what I was originally saying, not that lucky need Bonnano for drugs, but he Did need him to talk to, and organize a meeting of the Sicilian bosses, the fact that Bonnano was there and no one from the genovese is pretty clear, this was a business meeting, not really a mafia one..
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