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Re: Why were the books closed in 57 and reopened in 76
[Re: yigido]
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07/04/15 10:00 PM
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I read somewhere that before Massinos fall that the Bonannos had 190 made guys, true or bullshit? Bullshit. I never saw 190 cited anywhere but did see 150 cited in a few places. But I think even that was inflated. As said, there were 111 known Bonanno members in 2001 - which was shortly before guys started flipping and Massino's regime came crashing down. Even if one also figures in the highest probable members flying under the radar (perhaps 10-15 at most) it wouldn't come to 150. Also, in 2006 wiretaps recorded there being less than 100 soldiers in the family. Even after again adding in the number of guys flying under the radar, plus administration members and captains, it wouldn't come to 150 members. Much less 190 then or in 2001. It seems for some time now ( at least the last 25 years or so) the three smaller families have each ranged 100-125 members. Come to think of it, I think 190 members was cited for the Bonannos in the 1988 "25 Years After Valachi Report." But, considering the state of the family at the time, as well as other estimates from around then, they would have been nowhere near 190 members.
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Re: Why were the books closed in 57 and reopened in 76
[Re: pizzaboy]
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07/05/15 01:03 AM
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Can you blame him?
I love this board and stick up for the owner and the mods all over the place. But there's just no way to keep the vermin out. It's old and tiresome.
God willing this kid goes to jail in November, I GUARANTEE that at LEAST a dozen usernames go suddenly dormant. What happened? Why is HK leaving?
As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
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Re: Why were the books closed in 57 and reopened in 76
[Re: IvyLeague]
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07/05/15 10:58 AM
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I read somewhere that before Massinos fall that the Bonannos had 190 made guys, true or bullshit? Bullshit. I never saw 190 cited anywhere but did see 150 cited in a few places. But I think even that was inflated. As said, there were 111 known Bonanno members in 2001 - which was shortly before guys started flipping and Massino's regime came crashing down. Even if one also figures in the highest probable members flying under the radar (perhaps 10-15 at most) it wouldn't come to 150. Did these numbers also include all 19 Montreal members? I know the FBI most often does not include the Canadians except for Vito Rizzuto. With the Canadians added the Bonannos might very well have had as many as 140 members.
"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Re: Why were the books closed in 57 and reopened in 76
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07/08/15 02:09 AM
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I assume that being that Don Carlo put up that ban,Gambinos made the least guys betwen 57 and 76.Maybe even nobody was made by the Gambinos during those years.Wondering does anybody think diffrent?To be true what I said before,I belive HK that there is no prof that somebody was made,than again PB is a pal and I trust him to,so.. I doubt it was Gambino's decision. He had just become a boss and there was no way longtime bosses like Bonanno, Profaci, and Lucchese would roll over for the rookie. There is no way in hell Vito Genovese would be pushed around.
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Re: Why were the books closed in 57 and reopened in 76
[Re: mulberry]
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07/08/15 05:30 AM
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I assume that being that Don Carlo put up that ban,Gambinos made the least guys betwen 57 and 76.Maybe even nobody was made by the Gambinos during those years.Wondering does anybody think diffrent?To be true what I said before,I belive HK that there is no prof that somebody was made,than again PB is a pal and I trust him to,so.. I doubt it was Gambino's decision. He had just become a boss and there was no way longtime bosses like Bonanno, Profaci, and Lucchese would roll over for the rookie. There is no way in hell Vito Genovese would be pushed around. Like someone said earlier, the books were closed because of the Apalachin fiasco and the fear of LE infiltration. All the bosses went along with it including Genovese. He, more than the rest, didn't need any further humiliation. And he was technically a rookie boss himself; throwing his weight around against all the other New York bosses wouldn't have done him any favours.
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Re: Why were the books closed in 57 and reopened in 76
[Re: SonnyD]
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07/09/15 01:34 AM
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mulberry
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I assume that being that Don Carlo put up that ban,Gambinos made the least guys betwen 57 and 76.Maybe even nobody was made by the Gambinos during those years.Wondering does anybody think diffrent?To be true what I said before,I belive HK that there is no prof that somebody was made,than again PB is a pal and I trust him to,so.. I doubt it was Gambino's decision. He had just become a boss and there was no way longtime bosses like Bonanno, Profaci, and Lucchese would roll over for the rookie. There is no way in hell Vito Genovese would be pushed around. Like someone said earlier, the books were closed because of the Apalachin fiasco and the fear of LE infiltration. All the bosses went along with it including Genovese. He, more than the rest, didn't need any further humiliation. And he was technically a rookie boss himself; throwing his weight around against all the other New York bosses wouldn't have done him any favours. Genovese was a rookie but he was the one who took out Costello, Moretti, and Anastasia. Even after Apalachin he was the most feared boss. He had been one of the top Genovese guys for over 20 years and was acting boss before he fled to Italy.
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