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Re: Genovese family administration [Re: Neo] #847080
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For me, speculating a little bit is harmless. As long as that's all it is, then it's fair enough. I mean it's a discussion forum, it'll happen. But when it goes past a few words or a couple of sentences then there needs to be a line in the sand. "I think X is the boss because of yada yada yada." OK, fair enough, that's your opinion and leave it at that. Others in the know will know you are wrong, or others may just think you are, but going on and on and on and trying to goad people and then causing friction with some of the posters who make this board what it is just pisses me off.

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^ well said brother I couldn't agree with you more.

The thing about the genovese family is only the skippers and trusted soldiers are even exposed to upper echelon politics. Even then, information from a soldier or captain is one sided. As an example, take when the springfield crew killed their boss and then half of the crew flipped, artie nigro was said to have been the acting boss and given the ok. BUT who really thinks artie alone decided to green light a captain??? More likely he probably met with a handful of guys and discussed it. Even guys in the life aren't privy to everything. Speculation and questions are what makes this board interesting! I try and share any info i have unless its someone i know really well. and to be honest the guys i know personally aren't anywhere close to being interesting lol

Re: Genovese family administration [Re: Neo] #847107
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I have a question regarding the rotating panel and acting boss...

Is the rotating panel a front for the acting boss? Or is the acting boss more of a front for the panel?

Also who has final say? If the acting boss wanted to do business with abc company but the ruling panel thought it was a bad idea what would happen?

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Originally Posted By: Homers77
I have a question regarding the rotating panel and acting boss...

Is the rotating panel a front for the acting boss? Or is the acting boss more of a front for the panel?

Also who has final say? If the acting boss wanted to do business with abc company but the ruling panel thought it was a bad idea what would happen?



I basically said it in my last post - seems to me the ruling panel has the final say, if it gets that far, otherwise it's the acting boss who is running things day to day. In other words, at least in the case of the Genovese family, the acting boss is carrying out the interests of the panel.


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this is what felix trangese said about nigro during the bruno murder trial. soldier emilio fusco has his presentencing report for his senttencing for laonsharking. in it bruno said to fbi agent i didnt make him but basicaly confirmed fusco was a made guy. gets the ball rolling. fusco cant leave the state cause of his bail so trangese brings the paperwork to a bronx steakhouse where he meets nigro. artie tells him to go over to a table of made guys. shows them the paper work. artie tells felix go outside, comes out and tells felix to tell anthony kill bruno. tells felix to have nothing to do with it. cover your trails. felix didnt know any of the men at the table but they must have voted on brunos life. wish it came out who made felix. he said he was inducted in a house in springfield in august 1982 so im guesing manna or fat tony was up there. 2 half hour ride.

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Originally Posted By: pmac
this is what felix trangese said about nigro during the bruno murder trial. soldier emilio fusco has his presentencing report for his senttencing for laonsharking. in it bruno said to fbi agent i didnt make him but basicaly confirmed fusco was a made guy. gets the ball rolling. fusco cant leave the state cause of his bail so trangese brings the paperwork to a bronx steakhouse where he meets nigro. artie tells him to go over to a table of made guys. shows them the paper work. artie tells felix go outside, comes out and tells felix to tell anthony kill bruno. tells felix to have nothing to do with it. cover your trails. felix didnt know any of the men at the table but they must have voted on brunos life. wish it came out who made felix. he said he was inducted in a house in springfield in august 1982 so im guesing manna or fat tony was up there. 2 half hour ride.


In my opinion Felix was just a weak ass fool to begin with....they should of killed him.

The whole Genovese Springfield crew were weak and rolled on Artie.

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There were a few weak links but the Geas brothers were for real and so was Fusco. AA was always a piece of garbage.

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I'm pretty sure the hole that Westerman was buried in was dug for Felix on orders from Bruno. Obviously there was a change in plans. I'm wondering if one of the Scibelli brothers made Felix.

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Late 60's / early 70's at 208 Thompson st. in Greenwich Village Tommy Ryan Eboli had his club and it was named "The Panel Club". Chin's Club was at 208 Sullivan st. Just around the corner.


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Re: Genovese family administration [Re: Neo] #847253
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Artie had some Bronx guy working for him and the feds the whole time that's why Anthony flipped so quick. Guys name was john bolonga was fed inclement going way back. The Springfield field crew had nice rackets Bruno died cause be wasn't sharing the paperwork was just a little push. 10k amounth from 2 strip clubs all the book western mass and most of ct. Nigro then had Felix beaten and shelved. Not much non about nigro but him 1 year as acting boss might have been the worst of any of the top guys and he's doing life plus the papers had his kid front page busted for kidy porn.

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I think AA flipped due to facing life. I think he was ok doing a couple years here and there but "from now on", I doubt it. Him and the brothers beat an extortion case while all 3 were in jail a year or so before the Bruno trial.

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when Tuzzo was busted I was surprised that he wasn't listed by LE as an admin or ruling capo panel member. not to say maybe he wasnt at one point in time. just seems like he was the type of guy with enough juice and experience to be high up there.

all the usual suspects... mario gigante, dentico, barbato, cirillo.. they had their time. some good lifelong runs those guys had. but its gotta be obvious that these guys arent active. shit, they were considered old as hell when they were mentioned in the admin conversations 10-15 years ago.

one thing ive wondered is if they ever made thomas cafaro? afaik he has been an active associate for a long time.

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one thing ive wondered is if they ever made thomas cafaro? afaik he has been an active associate for a long time.

No, Tommy isn't made and he never will be. But there are no hard feeling there, either. I can tell you with absolute certainty that Barney loves him. He's stayed tight with everyone in that crew.


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Pretty sure the Springfield crew is done unless NY sent some guys up here to pick up the pieces.

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Why do three of the other families use the standard: Boss/Underboss/Consigliere model while the Genoveses have a rotating panel as an administration?

The Luccheses are a little different with their leadership model.
Steve Crea heads the Luccheses but apparently is only involved in legitimate construction activities and probably allows the top lucchese guys free reign.

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Originally Posted By: Neo
Why do three of the other families use the standard: Boss/Underboss/Consigliere model while the Genoveses have a rotating panel as an administration?

It has been said before here that it is done against LE. And good question, Why don't the other families do the same?

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I never commented on this site, but I grew up with Angelo pontes nephews. They own all American recycling , filli Ponte on debrosses street n the west side hwy , barelis in secaucus,nj and a large part of lower Manhattan property. He ain't made but they're heavy in the life. His nEphs were spoiled kids as expected and ain't close to the life. I fucked w the pernas since 04.... So I can speak on this . I dunno shit bout the Genovese hierarchy but I can tell u Ang ain't no boss or have a button. But he got power.

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Originally Posted By: yigido
Originally Posted By: Neo
Why do three of the other families use the standard: Boss/Underboss/Consigliere model while the Genoveses have a rotating panel as an administration?

It has been said before here that it is done against LE. And good question, Why don't the other families do the same?



Yes I know that, I worded my post wrong.

I'm more interested in why the other families don't use the same leadership model.

Just another personal theory of mine...
I believe the Genoveses use the rotating panel mainly to avoid LE going after one boss, BUT not necessarily the only reason.






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Genovese use that rotating panel has help them survive. The administration of that family is up in the air, but the power in that family is in Manhattan. I don't believe that NJ crap.


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Originally Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari
Genovese use that rotating panel has help them survive. The administration of that family is up in the air, but the power in that family is in Manhattan. I don't believe that NJ crap.

If you're referring to the old 116th Street crew, you're correct. But that crew is firmly entrenched in the Bronx and Westchester today. And so is the power base.


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go to mass live they released some federal paper work on one of the rats who put away artie nigro saying this guy was whitey bulger. good reading shows the landscape of the top genovese guys down in teh bronx and the strings they pulled all the way up in mass. bascally nigro was up to capo for that guy ernie mus when he went to jail, pat deluca quie dom c and dan leo was the forces in 2003

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he trying to get he case fliped he didnt order the bruno murder.

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Can u post a link Pmac?


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http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2015/12/inside_the_mob_fresh_appeals_i.html

About this series: Adolfo Bruno's 2003 murder has been thoroughly vetted in the courts and news reports over the past 12 years, but new light has been shed on the case and the workings of the Springfield mob with a treasure trove of new information.

Two of the eight convicted defendants – former West Springfield mob enforcer Fotios "Freddy" Geas, and onetime acting Genovese Mafia boss Arthur "Artie" Nigro, of Bronx, NY, – have filed fresh motions asking a judge in U.S. District Court in Manhattan to vacate their life sentences. Among the court filings related to those appeals, new details about government witnesses have emerged, including New York's John Bologna and local strip club magnate James Santaniello. Also, retired FBI Agent Clifford Hedges, was prompted to speak out about his controversial report on Bruno that has been billed as the final trigger that sent the Bruno murder conspiracy in motion.

SPRINGFIELD — It's been a dozen years since this city was roiled by a Mafia-fueled crime spree that peaked with the 2003 murders of crime boss Adolfo "Big Al" Bruno and low-level associate Gary Westerman.

Bruno was killed "cowboy style" in a downtown parking lot by a paid gunman bent on revenge, at the behest of scheming gangsters intent on a power play. Westerman was shot, smashed in the head with a shovel and dumped in a ditch in Agawam by fellow criminals he believed were his allies.

It's been four years since three men were tried, convicted and sentenced to life in prison for their respective roles in one or both killings. Onetime acting Genovese crime family boss Arthur "Artie" Nigro, formerly of Bronx, NY, and West Springfield brothers Fotios "Freddy" and Ty Geas stood trial in U.S. District Court in New York City in 2011. They were found guilty by a jury of a host of crimes including murder, racketeering and extortion.

The government made its case with three of the defendants' co-conspirators. They included two "made guys" in the Genovese-afilliated Springfield Crew plus one "crash dummy" from Westfield who carried out violent crimes for them. Nigro was pulling the strings in New York and gave the green-light for Bruno's murder, witnesses said.

The multi-state prosecution decimated Greater Springfield's organized crime terrain and temporarily jammed a lid on its trappings: extortion, widespread sports-betting and a general bully culture.

But all the years that have passed and law enforcement manpower aside, the case is still, in theory, a live issue. Freddy Geas filed a motion to vacate his sentence in May, arguing his defense had been hampered by ineffective counsel and that he had been robbed of a plea deal, among other things. His motion was rudimentary and boilerplate, clearly written by the hand of a penniless inmate serving a life sentence in a high-security prison in West Virginia with the possible assist of jailhouse lawyers.

Nigro's motion, on the other hand, was persuasively written and carefully prepared by prominent Wall Street lawyer Ruth Liebesman. It was filed in June. It offers a list of exhibits that provides a rare glimpse into law enforcement's handling of informants: namely John Bologna, a mid-level New York gangster who bounced between crime families while an informant for the FBI; and James Santaniello, Springfield's version of Howard Hughes - wealthy, stealthy and somewhat reclusive, also a law enforcement mole.

Obtained by The Republican, the material will be highlighted over four stories.

Liebesman's motion argues that despite having three attorneys at trial, Nigro received a woefully inadequate defense. According to Nigro, wily federal prosecutors dumped thousands of pages of witness testimony "on the eve of trial" with hidden gems of exculpatory evidence inside, which were all but unmanageable given the timeline.

Buried in this information are previously undisclosed details about Santaniello's business holdings, his coziness with authorities - plus Bologna's longtime deception straddling the mob world and his partnership with the Feds.

The onetime Bronx boss argues that his trial counsel fell short, first, by failing to make more hay with the cross-examination of Bologna, Nigro's former right hand who was secretly working as an FBI informant since 1996 while committing all the crimes gangsters cling to. It took 14 years for the Feds to disavow him, and, only after his role in the Bruno murder conspiracy came to light through other witnesses.

"Bologna was the FBI's New York office's answer to Whitey Bulger, the crime lord who committed and ordered numerous murders and acts of violence while an FBI informant in Boston over a period of many years," Liebesman's motion reads.

"Bologna was the FBI's New York office's answer to Whitey Bulger ..." ~ Attorney Ruth Liebesman
James "Whitey" Bulger, is serving a life sentence for 19 murders he committed while heading up Boston's Irish Mob crew, the Winter Hill Gang. Bulger committed crimes unchecked while acting as an informant for the FBI and feeding federal authorities information on his rivals in the Italian Mafia.

His former handler, John Connolly, also a childhood friend, is serving a 40-year prison sentence in connection with his ties to Bulger and the Winter Hill Gang. Connolly was in 1999 convicted of tipping Bulger to pending investigations and indictments, which prompted Bulger to flee Boston in 1994. Bulger remained in hiding at the top of the FBI's Most Wanted list until 2011, when he and his girlfriend were captured in California.

There have been no accusations that the FBI in New York knew about Bologna's specific criminal dealings in Western Massachusetts. An agent testified at Nigro's trial that Bologna simply hid things and lied to the agency during dozens of briefings. However, previous reports law enforcement indicate Bologna was tipped to an investigation into Mafia figures in Greater Springfield, where he had been regularly visiting in 2002, and abruptly stopped traveling here.

Liebesman argues in her motion that Bologna was the one who ordered the hit on Bruno - not Nigro - and orchestrated a myriad of extortion schemes in Springfield after Bruno was appointed boss of the city.

Another player she highlighted to bolster Nigro's case was Santianiello, local czar of strip clubs and nightlife, with extensive business holdings in his family members' names. He inked a murky deal with federal law enforcement authorities in 2010 - with unspecified benefits.

All the while, Santaniello steadied one foot in the underworld, kept a dizzying number of ventures afloat and somehow managed to avoid criminal prosecution since the mid-1980s, according to records. Among the downsides: Santaniello found himself a perennial feed box for several mob regimes. He paid up to thousands of dollars per week in shakedown money to organized crime figures, occasionally being forced to jockey between competing bosses, court records show.

Santaniello was cited as a victim of extortion in two trials: the prosecution of Nigro and the Geases plus a subsequent 2012 trial of Emilio Fusco, a co-conspirator who fled to his native Italy and delayed his own proceeding. Fusco was acquitted of the Bruno and Westerman murders but convicted of racketeering, extortion and other crimes and sentenced to 25 years in prison.

Throughout Santaniello's prolific history lesson of local mob feuds, deals and transitions, hand-written notes by the FBI show - he had little or nothing to say about Nigro.

"As law enforcement was well aware - at least in Massachusetts - Santaniello was Bologna's victim. He had nothing to say about Arthur Nigro," his lawyer wrote.

Tomorrow, a summary of last-ditch motions by Fotios Geas and Nigro to set aside their sentences and the government's response.

Below, read a portion of an FBI report on statements Bologna made to his handler and important details he withheld, including criminal conspiracies in which he was involved.

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If you pair this up with the buster ardito recordings you can find on here somewhere you get a look into there lower structure down the Bronx and all there politics. I kind got the sense Mario gigante had maybe the final say around 2002 03. Buster had control of mass and ct before al Bruno was upd to capo in 03. This guy big john bolgna was giving the feds alot of info. Wonder who the guy rooster from Boston was? We're it says pat deluca going up there and there inducted 7 guys 2 from Boston ect. The 1 guy Tony volpe was Hartford guy he died recently or a few back. Deluca was close to Bruno. They had a beef over a strip club with baby shacks. Dam he had strip clubs giving him money all over.

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What's interesting is it says Nigro and DeLuca were captains of different crews. I always thought they were in the same one. The report also says Muscarella had been on the ruling committee with Danny Leo and Dom Cirillo before Muscarella went to prison.


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I like how Bologna read gangland.

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seems the westside was a volatile after chin was indicted for the second time 2002. also from that capo angelo priscos take around 03 04 who should be boss and when leo called him and he didnt know why he might get whacked or some money. al bruno was killed that guy from the docks ricci was trunked. these guys were cut throat. wonder where that guy tino was around this time. they knew chin wasnt coming home. and today 10 yrs later that guy ernie still alive so is barney b leo and maybe that guy scop deluca realy old but that hasnt stop these guys before. prisco and nigro doing life. mario gignate still alive maybe probaly 100. and this was when joe massino was the so called last don. well he got picked off january 03.

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