Since alot of the top guys are retired/semi-retired I'm just curious about who is a member or likely member of the Genovese administration?

My pick:

Boss: Liborio Bellomo

Underboss: Ernest Muscarella

Consigliere: Dominick Cirillo

Barney hasn't been the same since his wife died. He's reigned it in A LOT. Ernie turned over almost everything to the kid. And QD is DONE except for some trucking interests and an old shy book in Jersey.

Welcome to the board, though .

Thank you.

Man, they really are the most secretive family.

So as I understand it QD and Ernie are more or less done and Barney dont want nothing to do with anything by the sounds of it.

Barbito and Mangano are too old and probaby retired, Tuzzo is in prison, it is killing me not knowing who is in the Genovese administration

PB: Would you comment on who's current head/acting of 116th?

No probs if not.

Edit: PB/Bronx would either of you two care to speculate on the current size of the 116th? Number of made guys? Associates?
Cheers.

Barbato's shot, and I've been telling people that poor Benny's been done for YEARS. He's blind for God's sake. He splits his time between a nursing home and his NY apartment. But it's just a matter of time before he needs full-time care. Whether it's at home or out in the country.


Then I'd suggest finding yourself a length of rope and a sturdy oak tree. Because even the guys on these boards who guess close are always off by a bit. But that's the way it's set up.

Is that guy pat deluca still around hes probably to old but when nigro was what ever position in 03 to be inducted guys pats was his 2. So I was reading g capeci this morning it was about some old jersey guy cousin to tino.said he was made with Coppola kid and brother 2009. Really think the bosses just let the capo of the new members do the ceremony. Just oks it. There was a article on Frank loc ill post on his thread.

Guy name was muzzy he died they inducted him in his mid 70tys there still hope for papa smurf.

Papa not in and never will be but he holds power

They have a younger crop that hardly anyone knows about except maybe PB Bronx or Skinny and have senior advisors schooling them the right way and likely one of the oldies calling the shots behind the scenes that everyone just guesses about and almost always wrong

The race to legit stuff is where the real race is , that's a trail to follow

Chin will be dead 10 years now it's kind of shocking he wouldn't name a successor but he probably did. They had like a dozen acting bosses or panel guys and all of them are well over 70+ or dead and that guy Barney is probably the last one under 60. Last thing on a wire tap prisco 2005 saying he would prefer Barney over Leo as boss. If didn't know when he was summoned by Leo at xmis time 05 if it was a promotion or his death. Yaeh they don't fuck around there soldiers don't know whose boss.

/me chuckles



Great question P.

PB, is he still active? Also is Daniel Leo back in since his release or has he hung up his boots too?
Cheers.

what do the soldiers need to know who's the boss for?

most of the family captains shouldn't know who the boss is if you ask me

Taking a wild guess I think the structure is:

Boss:

Underboss:

Consigliere:

Family Panel:
Street boss
Street boss:
Street boss:

Does that look about right?
Now can someone start guessing who those positions belong to?

My wild guess Danny Leo is the boss

Here's a thought.

With PB indicating both QD and Ernie are out of the game and passed the 116th crew onto younger guys (assumption on my part), (and keep in mind the 116th is where ALL Genovese leaders come from), then MAYBE (with 5 crews) the power has shifted to Jersey, with the old guard retiring in the Bronx....

Its a wild guess but NOT out of the realms...

(which would be HUGE as no NY5 fam boss was from Jersey, I think )

Fuck knows who's on the ruling panel, probably Ernie, Barney, Leo.

Is Joe Dente Jr still capo, he's quite young

Originally Posted By: pmac

Last thing on a wire tap prisco 2005 saying he would prefer Barney over Leo as boss. If didn't know when he was summoned by Leo at xmis time 05 if it was a promotion or his death.

That was the thing that stood out to me when I was reading those wiretaps. A guy as heavy as Prisco thought there was a possibility he was gonna be killed or given some cash. Talk about keeping guys in the dark.
You gotta give Prisco credit though, he told his driver if that what is supposed to happen then so be it or something like that.
I wonder how close Angelo was to john Leto, the guy who got caught for Angelo S murder and testified against Angelo P and Doc Giaccone.

Got a feeling Daniel Leo is the boss. If not, there has to be a panel consisting of Leo, Bellomo and Muscarella, which was mentioned earlier. Just my guess, but even though Larry Dentico is one of the oldest mobsters alive, he may be acting as an unofficial advisor figure?

No-one has mentioned Ross Gangi and Patsy Parello. They are close. Possibility they may be serving on the panel. If not, PB, have any idea what they have been up to since they were released in 2008?

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU? THE WESTSIDE DOES NOT MAKE BILLIONAIRE SANITATION GUYS!!!!

I'm sorry, pmac. You're a good kid and I know you have your favorites. But guys like Ponte and Papa Smurf and Tommy Milo didn't need buttons. There's too much to lose by way of licensing and anti-trust violations.

Do you know what an anti-trust violation does to a business? So as a rule, the Westside does not make the bigger garbage guys.

And before anyone mentions Cockeyed Nick, the guy's been dead for almost 35 years, and he was made LONG before he became the King of Westchester Garbage.

I'm sorry for snapping. Bad day.

Danny and Angelo have been rivals--but not enemies--since the Purple Gang days. No way in Hell he was getting clipped.

Poor bastard. He's doing life and his family's broke. Rudy died fucking penniless two years ago. But Westside skippers are automatically millionaires, right?

Pizza was being sarcastic comeon. Keep it light.

Only the guys on the panel. It rotates, and one guy has been a constant since 2005. So maybe, just maybe, there is one guy with more say than the others. Just saying .


No. He stays upstate since he was broken down. He's better off anyway. He's lucky he didn't get chased altogether with the rumor that fucking Greg started about him years ago. He still earns and he has enough cash to last a lifetime. His father was the fucking greatest thing on Arthur Avenue since the market.

I love ya, pmac. You know that. I even apologized at the end of my post. I guess I just get tired of all the speculation. And that's my fault. You guys have every right to guess this way or that way.

Again, it's on me. You're a GREAT kid, pmac. Always respectful and a VERY knowledgeable poster. You're incredibly well read on this stuff. I'd never have the patience to read that many mob books, and I read A LOT of books in general.

It's my fault. After almost ten years, it's finally dawning on me that I probably don't belong on these sites. It's on me.

I hope all is well up in Boston.

PB

When Ross got out he tried to get in on the new fish market by the prison barge. But with his family history, they laughed at his application. Shame, though. The guy knows the fish business.

Patsy's always at the restaurant. I think at this stage of his life, if you made him choose between his stripes and the restaurant that he'd pick the restaurant. He hasn't been the same since his son died anyway. No one gets over that. But they were an exceptionally close family. But in his day, he was the toughest guy to come out of Fordham. Period.

But that's it. I'm signing off on this subject now. See you guys in General Discussion .

PB we all have our good and bad. So you got a temper and you shoot from the hip from time to time. You're an old school guy from the Bronx. It comes with the territory. You belong on these boards more than most..

A friend of mine sent me some photos of parallo the other day at the restaurant , he still looks strong as a fucking ox

Does he know your friends are over there snapping pictures of him?

yeah they r close friends

Cool.. at least they aren't hiding the iPhone behind the lasagna all sneaky

Not sure if I believe parallo is out the game , it's not like he is old and decrepit , plus in one of the photos there were 3 rather large intimidating gentlemen around him looking all menacing

Great, finally we are getting somewhere...

So...the Genovese administration is a rotating panel with Danny holding the most influence on the family panel since 2005?