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Seven Years at Rikers #846377
06/15/15 11:59 PM
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http://nypost.com/2015/06/15/kid-arrested-at-17-has-been-at-rikers-awaiting-trial-for-7-years/

Man arrested as teen has waited 7 years in Rikers for trial


A Manhattan man has spent nearly all of the past seven years locked up on Rikers Island awaiting trial — a dubious record for pretrial incarceration that is not likely to end anytime soon, experts told The Post.

Carlos Montero, now 24, was with two pals when one fatally stabbed a man and the other slashed another during a robbery in Washington Heights on Oct. 23, 2008, authorities have charged.

Montero, who has spent six years and eight months in Rikers, attempted to get his case tried separately — while one of his alleged cohorts fights the DNA evidence — but the judge balked, and his lawyer won’t even seek bail for him now because he says it’s a lost cause.

“I’m depressed in here. I just want to go home,’’ said Montero, who entered the jail at age 17.

The state statute that is supposed to guarantee a prisoner’s right to a speedy trial — within 180 days — doesn’t apply to murder cases.

There also is a right to a reasonably rapid proceeding under the Sixth Amendment, but the US Constitution doesn’t lay out a timeline.

So Montero is still waiting for his day in court, even after 77 appearances in Manhattan Supreme Court before Justice Ronald Zweibel — and 2,423 days behind bars.
Montero said he was aware of the recent suicide of Kalief Browder, a Bronx teen who was locked up on Rikers for three years while he awaited trial.

Browder was eventually cleared, but his lawyer said the abuse that the teen suffered at Rikers led to his June 6 suicide.

Montero said that while his situation has left him despondent, too, “I don’t think about killing myself because I love myself.”

“I still think I can get justice,” he said.

Montero’s case seems tailor-made to challenge the law, said famed civil rights lawyer Ron Kuby, who is not connected to the case.

“This case is gold medal-winning when it comes to delay,” Kuby said. “The longest period of time I’ve heard of is about five years in New York state.”

“It seems a very clear constitutional violation to hold somebody for nearly seven years in pretrial detention without trial,” he said.

The delay also has been a costly hit to taxpayers.

According to the city’s Independent Budget Office, the cost of housing one inmate in the city in 2012 was $167,731.

That means Montero’s seven-year jail stint has already cost the city more than $1 million.


Montero was allegedly with buddies Jairo Peralta and Diangelo Enriquez when they demanded that victim Brian Maldonado hand over his jacket near 187th Street and Audubon Avenue.

Peralta fatally stabbed Maldonado as he took off his coat, while Enriquez slashed another man who tried to flee, according to court papers.

Montero insists that he wasn’t even there that day, despite witnesses who placed him at the scene of the crime.

“I don’t have the heart to kill someone,’’ he said. “I wasn’t there. I know I could sue, but no amount of money could get me justice for this. I just want my freedom.”

Montero said prosecutors offered him a plea deal of 15 years behind bars, but he refused, maintaining his innocence.

The city Department of Corrections doesn’t keep records on pretrial incarceration time, but Kuby and other lawyers said Montero’s time behind bars could be a state record.
Kuby said Montero’s lawyers can try to fight for his freedom while his case comes to trial.

But Montero’s lawyer, Robert Jaffe, said he has already moved to separate his client’s case from the other two suspects’ but was denied.

Jaffe said the bulk of the delay was caused by Enriquez’s fight over DNA evidence, an issue that doesn’t affect Montero.

He, too, called it “totally unfair.”

“The massive delay should not have happened,” Jaffe said.
Jaffe, who was appointed by the court, added that he never asked the judge for bail because “there’s no point.”

“Because it’s a murder case, he isn’t getting bail,” he said.

Re: Seven Years at Rikers [Re: mightyhealthy] #846378
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Money talks.

Re: Seven Years at Rikers [Re: mightyhealthy] #846381
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I'm torn between this being a trend that could be a slippery slope, and not giving a shit if he rots for 70 years.. Gotta think about this one


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He should be given a trial first, no?

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He should take the plea considering he has already served almost half.

Re: Seven Years at Rikers [Re: mightyhealthy] #846434
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Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
He should take the plea considering he has already served almost half.


Yeah he would probable be out on parole right now with time served. Still not right to hold him that long though.

Re: Seven Years at Rikers [Re: mightyhealthy] #846441
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Like it says, when you're charged with murder you are not necessarily going to get a speedy trial.

This is happening to a friend of mine. He is awaiting trial. He was a suspect back in the 90's but got off due to lack of evidence. Years later, in 2007, because of better technology, he was arrested because they found his DNA at the murder scene. There are three suspects involved all assigned to their own trial. Just this year, his cousin went to trial. His scumbag cousin killed his girlfriend and got his brother and my friend (his cousin) involved as an accessory to murder. My friend did 7 years already. The scumbag cousin finally confessed to the murder crime of stabbing his girlfriend multiple times.

(I never know how much info to put up on these boards but since most ppl on here do not actually know a murderer I figured I'd give you the background since this is coming from me knowing these guys.)

When I first found out that my friend was involved with this murder I could NOT believe it. He was raised in the bario by a well respected family but wasn't a street guy, fighting or causing trouble. I've never seen him use drugs. He got very good grades and everyone just loved this guy, did not have a mean bone in his body. His cousin was the complete opposite. He was more of a street guy, very arrogant, an asshole. Not too many people liked him. I didn't know the cousin well cuz he was not around much. I only saw him at a few parties. (I don't know the brother)

Sickening. I knew the girlfriend too because she used to work as a cashier at a store right near my house. I used to talk to her while she checked me out at the register. (I knew her sister and cousins very well)
What the hell she was doing dating that scumbag I will never understand. She was much too good for him. It cost her, her life.

http://m.ocregister.com/articles/lopez-660215-torrez-family.html?

Re: Seven Years at Rikers [Re: mightyhealthy] #846478
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Alfonsogirl,

That is NY State Law regarding the guarantee of a speedy trial.

However, there are constitutional guarantees for a speedy trial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedy_Trial_Clause

Just something to think about. Seven years is a very, very long time. It's been a quarter of the guys life.

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Mightyhealthy, did I miss something? He is charged with a felony-- murder-- which has no statute of limitations, does not give him the right to a speedy trial. It's a very f***ed up situation especially if he really is innocent.

I read that they will not be trying them separately and the delay is partly related to his buddy there Enriquez.

This is is what I read:

So what's the hold-up? It's mostly over a legal battle waged by Enriquez about DNA evidence in the case. It's "totally unfair," says Montero's lawyer.

Re: Seven Years at Rikers [Re: mightyhealthy] #846505
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never knew that about the state..scumbags

Re: Seven Years at Rikers [Re: mightyhealthy] #846513
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Even the feds pull this shit. I've heard of guys being locked up (not just murder, but anything) waiting 3,4 years for trial. They'll keep you locked up until they get something on you.

Re: Seven Years at Rikers [Re: mightyhealthy] #846521
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this court system sounds like Russia, or china, this is the united states, what happened to our constitutional rights?

who do we blame for the loss of our rights?



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: Seven Years at Rikers [Re: mightyhealthy] #846542
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Ourselves?

Alfonsogirl, appreciate the input. I was just pointing out the constitution supercedes state law and he still has a right to a fair trial and a speedy one at that.

Let's not forget he hasn't been convicted of anything. Everyone deserves to defend themselves.

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I believe in "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" as much as the next guy. But seven years without a trial is wrong. If the guy deserves to be there, put him on trial. We are losing our rights in this country.

Re: Seven Years at Rikers [Re: Fleming_Ave] #846884
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Heard about this on the latest CombatJack podcast.
Didn't think it warranted(pun) it's own thread but it relates to this one, so I'm posting it here.



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