Understood PB thanks

Yup. He trained at Joey DeDuardia's old gym in Morris Park for years (the old location run by the real Joey DeGuardia, not his son the promoter).

The son's a nice guy, though. Real smart. He's a lawyer. Started out as a Bronx D.A, which pissed off a lot of people lol.

Anyway, Stevie had great hands.They're bigger now than they were years ago. That happens a lot with ex-boxers. But he's aged quite a bit. That last picture that someone posted isn't even accurate anymore. But fuck, the guy's pushing 70. What do you expect?

if chicago re-shuffled their administration then they'll definitely be around

chicago has always been ran like a corporation so it'll be hard to stop

especially when the don has construction contracts at chicago public schools

Is Crea originally from the Bronx or Harlem?

Also was the Prince street crew always involved with construction or did that start with Dom Truscello?

No body agrees if merlino not in jail he still boss of the philly family and they'll still be moving in a better direction in 5yrs. Look at all the bosses he the youngest did a shit load of time and is off restriction and could meet an go anywhere he wants.

And that's what will put him back in a cage.

But I don't want to gang up on you, pmac, You're a great kid who never starts trouble here. That's rare, and I'm always quick to point that out. So as far as Joey goes, we'll just agree to disagree.

And we almost never go to Florida during the summer, but you never know. So make sure you tell me when you're gonna be down there.

PB, would Crea ever consider backing off a leadership role to keep the heat off and focus solely on construction?

I mean, they are already diverting some heat on Amuso. But I mean really dialing it back. He isn't a kid, you know?

I agree with PB and have always thought very highly of the Luchesse

And think they and the WS have more or less figured this thing out quicker then

Most in terms of having numerous legit organizations across many different industries from construction companies to arm machines lol that make a lot of legit money and
Truth be told are far less harmful to people then the legit companies on Wall Street . Plus the whole plea thing but what sets them apart from the others is they are businessmen today . The cowboy gangster days are over , sure there are plenty out there , but they don't last long .

It does seem tho that the Gambinos have regrouped

He's already given up the street shit, and his focus IS solely on construction today. And I think that he will eventually retire, but not anytime soon. He's CN to the bone.


Capeci and the cops tickling the wire. If Vic's still "official" boss, it's in name only.


I'm done talking about him.

I agree with you. But the Feds will NEVER----EVER----look at it from that point of view. There are too many Wall Street types who are partnered with the American Government. The same Government that pays the Feds' salaries.

They're never backing off LCN. Terrorism or not, Mafia busts still make for one of the top two or three biggest press conferences. And that's what these politically motivated prosecutors live for--press conferences. The smarter guys get it. If they keep it where it is (semi-legit), they'll be fine.

The national hotel resort 18 august. We didn't get the rental. Cause every one said its hard to find parking everything in walking. 650 for me 650 for her. Please no hurricanes or tropicals. Only 5 days. I not from philly just give the guy credit. He's not Jr gotti got to give him that. He probably isn't the boss anyway.its probably gonna be hot as shit. And as far as new England big cheese n his bro if they don't have massive heart attack s there in charge. 5 yrs amuso crea and Madonna probably dead. Name a successor. Go golden state.

Your 100% accurate and a big reason is Wall Street pays congressmen to keep LE of them

Pre credit crisis their lobby's wrote most of the financial laws , not our politicians but their lawyers and lobbyists and those days will be back sooner rather than later

If CN had a re do , that RICO law never would of passed as they would of paid to stop it and it didn't hurt them for awhile until they lost control of the judges , prosecutors , other LE etc.

Got pastrami greese on my shirt the rubbish.

And they will keep it semi legit , or at least the groups you mentioned

Older hotel but a classic. Recently renovated and gorgeous. Every hotel within ten blocks has a great pool bar. Check out as many as you can.

Ok, sorry if I asked too many specific questions. I know you're in the thick of things, not trying to put you in a bad position!

Thanks for the insight. Always much appreciated.

Agreed on the Amuso in name only thing. Still smart though

DB, even post crisis, they wrote all of the laws. Dodd Frank was gutted. Pussy law. Accounting control fraud and looting should be larger LE concers than these LCN guys, without a doubt

All true. You boys are both bright and very well versed on the inner workings of the financial world. Kudos on that.

But if Joe Bonanno doesn't write that egotistical whitewash pile of horseshit book, Rudy Giuliani doesn't read it, the Commission Case never happens, and RICO probably goes the way of the jaywalking ticket.

Thanks, PB. That's why I'm not very partisan. Both parties are financial and business oriented.

Right on PB, this is why they had the rules they had . The slightest slip of the lip can bring big consequences ,and that's just what went down.
All through the 90's they were lose lipped and into the 2000 's also . It just is now starting that they are making the adjustments they should have made in 89.
And even though it will never be like it was ,at least the ones that are in it for the right reasons(if there is any) may be able to look each other in the eye.

On top of it all Giuliani is doing a series on A&E on the MOB and how they brought it down.
Carmine is HOT ! You know what he is thinking ...

Serpiente, you said something interesting in there, at least to me. You said too many hitters, no good, and too many classy money earners, no good. I can use my imagination concerning the too many hitters. But what is the usual outcome when you have too many classy earners? I honestly don't know.

No real logic" behind it other then they, start scratching" and clawing" at each other . Just look at the gas scam with Michael Franzese he started out alone" before it was over there were 3 or 4 families" going after the same racket.
That's just one of thousands ,and most times guys die from the good ones.
And or get so greedy they get busted because of the greed and then it moves up the chain..

Aha. Thanks for explaining that. I remember the gasoline tax scam. And the way M Franzese explained it on TV was hilarious. But yeah, that was some kind of animal that was too big for him to ever tame. I also agree with you that too many schemers and successful schemes makes for a much stronger RICO case.

Then it is just like dope ,they want to give the guy 50 years and then the whole thing comes down.

I have no way of knowing but it seams to me that they are learning to insulate the from top to bottom .

Let's face it if a guy only knows the skippers name and never here's his voice no jury in the world can convict.
It take time for that kind of insulation to develop .
And only if LE let's it happen or if they would go after these other guys that are a real threat to our immediate well being.
But that's in my head ,that's the way I grew up .

Well, I'm talking about overall. The Gambinos are still twice the size of the Luccheses. And statements by the FBI in recent years put the Gambinos at #2. I don't discount the Luccheses but I don't think any of the three smaller families have ever broken into the top two spots, but simply fluctuated among themselves for #3, 4, and 5. It's one of the few times I disagreed with the feds, some of which said back in the early 2000's that the Bonannos had become the #2 family in NY.

Pizza, I have a different take on that scenario.

If Joe Bonanno doesn't write the book, Giuliani doesn't step in to take over Walter Mack's operation to suck up the credit, then instead of a Commission case where only the top guys plus Whack Whack go down, instead Walter Mack cleans out Ozone Park, Bensonhurst, and where ever wiseguys thrive becomes wiped out like Detroit. Ghost town.

In other words, Giuliani protected the mob.

interesting take alfa, I see your point, the top guys go down but, the organization is still active, and well.

mack goes after the source, and busts it all up.

something else if that would have happened to the top guys in Chicago , or new Orleans, Giuliani would have been dead.

Of course, you do.


Giuliani's mission is life was to break the mob. And although he failed, he did quite a bit of damage because he understood their mentality. Walter mack doesn't.

It's like when, pre-Donnie Brasco, they'd drop off agents from Wyoming on Mulberry Street and expect them to not get noticed. The old ladies were yelling out their windows in three minutes. Fact. My Uncle had a club on Baxter. I'd see the old coots yelling with my own eyes "dey cummin, dey cummin."


Please. Protected my ass. How many of YOUR fucking relatives did he put away? The man I look up to most in the world, outside of my own father, will die at Coleman because of that cocksucker's crusade (even though Giuliani was long gone by then, but he helped put things in motion).

Alfa, I think you're a brilliant young man, an incredible researcher, and a great writer. But you just don't get the street angle. And you never will. I'm around it all my fucking life. I've kept myself straight. But I've lost more loved ones to Giuliani than you have at your average family Christmas table.

That's it. Please respect me there because it's not somewhere I usually go. But my temples are throbbing so hard right now that I could strangle someone until they turned purple and their eyes popped out. So enough with Giuliani. Please.

PB, I get that, but its an internet forum. The entire point of this thing is for people to disagree. I'm only sticking up for Alfa because he just came on here to speak his mind. I'm sure the last thing he wants to do is personally hurt you.