According to Capeci in Gangland today Joe Saunders is trying to take over the family..

people still want that chair in 2015..

And that typically makes the worst bosses.

The best performing ones seem to be the reluctant ones that take it out of duty (ie some of the Genovese semi retired guys)

Two weeks ago he wrote that old man Palazzolo was trying to take over and I said it was bullshit and never gonna happen. I've been saying forever that the Nose is boss in name only and that the power there has shifted out east. And for the record, when the kid that the Nose calls his nephew got his button the Feds found out about it fifteen minutes later. Speaks volumes.

Big chair in the Bonannos? Whoever takes that spot doesn't need a chair, he needs a psychiatrist's couch. The power there shifted to Queens and Long Island a long time ago. The Bronx Bonannos barely exist anymore. But there's an obvious leak there anyway (look what I posted about the Salerno kid's button). You gotta be nuts if you want that job.

And yeah, Capeci will write about anything when it gets quiet these days.

On point.

The leak could just as easily be in the FBI to Capeci, more relevant their targets are the more important their jobs are, its like the firefighter that burns down houses so he can put them out and be the hero

I never said the leak was in the Bronx. I just said that it's there and that the Feds are finding out overnight when someone gets made. Whether that's because there's a rat or because people are going around bragging about their buttons is irrelevant. The Feds know. That's all that matters.

So my only point was that you have to be crazy to want the top spot in that family today. That, and what I've been saying for years: The Nose will not walk out the Boss. The Bonanno powerbase is no longer in the Bronx. It was only here for a short time anyway.

Massino let Fat Patty and George beef up that crew when he came home in the '90s. And George and Patty were at each other's throats five minutes later. Aside from being a rat, Massino was a shrewd boss. Beefing up the Bronx crew was one of his only tactical mistakes because they were always a distant fourth here to begin with.

The two are connected. According to Capeci, "detectives reported that Palazzolo had recently been elevated to Acting Street Boss of the Bonanno family by the imprisoned official boss, Michael (Mikey Nose) Mancuso. The promotion was allegedly a Mancuso bid to thwart a push by a rival faction headed by capo Joseph Cammarano Jr. to take over the crime family."

I didn't read the article. I don't subscribe. But I'll check it out on the other site. I'm sure that Delly must have put it up. But my position about Mancuso and the Bronx faction remains the same.

They're barely here anymore and it's not because they've gone underground. It's because the power in the street has moved out east. So if the two are connected, it's a last ditch effort by the Nose to remain relevant long enough to come home to something.

I've told you before that he's not very well liked, and that's in his own borough. And if he's not well liked in the Bronx, his own backyard, what do you think they think of him out in Queens and Long Island?

But thanks, Ivy. I'll go check out that article .

Is it true that the Bonannos gave permission to the Genovese to kill Pisciotti and that is why he turned rat?

Kind of off topic, but I'm curious.

Well, he didn't turn rat out of fear. He's a piece of shit, but he's not afraid. Not when you consider where he's living today. He's living the good life a little further uptown from where you lived when you were living in Manhattan.

PB, I wasn't trying to argue your point was just making an observation, and i do agree they have always been the 4th family in the Bronx, However i guess the question would be if when Nose gets out whos going to take his place as Boss, and also what do they do with all these guys there making in the Bronx, You would think the time for the guys out east to step in woulda been before he started making all these guys

Synergy gyms right?

I joined. Scam artists, no surprise.

They didn't even have AC in the summer. It was ridiculous.

Talking about the one on 14th.

The guy who's running it now. And he's not from the Bronx.


It's because they don't see a threat. And that's for a very good reason: A real threat doesn't exist.

Johnnie Joe, who is MUCH more well-liked and respected here, comes home less than two years after Nose. And he has HIS people aligned with Queens. What's that tell you?

You can make a hundred guys and call them a crew, and it doesn't mean anything. The money is out east, and the power is out east. I'm in the Bronx 56 years and in Throggs Neck for 30. If I was some kind of fanboy I'd be saying the opposite.

Bottom line, I don't want to argue with you. Because you've always seemed like a nice young guy and we've had some nice conversations here and in pms. But I see what's happened, and I'm just telling you what's what. The power in that family ain't moving just because that kid and a couple others got their patches.

Queens has the backing of the two strongest crews left in the Bronx (the crews obviously being in other families), and no one's fucking with them. Not when everyone's happy and making money. I'm not posting any more than that. Please respect that and don't ask.

Unrelated but rd is back up and tommy has been promoted.

Hopefully he doesnt end up like the other tommy (in goodfellas) when he was getting "promoted" lol

again i wasnt arguing because like you I live in the Bronx I know plenty of people i also hear whats going on and i wasnt asking bc i thought there would be a power shift it was more along the lines i find it ridiculous that out east they didnt put an end to them making too many guy sin the bronx that probably shouldn't have been

DiFiore

you would think while Nose was in jail is the time to check his power not when he comes home with an ego the size of the bronx

Well, I agree with you. Making those guys was ridiculous. And desperate. But letting it happen speaks to the fact that they don't see a threat. Not when Tommy D has the guy in Tuckahoe and the old man in Country Club watching his back.

Well, I understand that point, too. But what if he's been the boss in name only and he just never got the memo?

He still has almost three years left. By the time he comes home, he'll either get the message in a hurry or he'll do something stupid and end up regretting it. Regretting it big time.

Is anybody outside of Brooklyn/Gambinos really a boss or have any say about anything unless Crea and Barney say ok?

Doesn't sound like it ha

It looks to me like there really are only 3 families and that anybody with any real earning power really only have it if certain guys are ok with it.

It actually seems like a smart move for the Bonanno guys.

Let the Feds and whoever else think Mikey is boss, and then tell him to go fuck himself when he's out of the can.

That said, as PB mentioned before, the Bonannos are just fucked in general. Everyone knows who is made the second they get their button. They must have a high level informant.

Compare that to the Westside, where no one even knows who is the true boss, and it is night and day.

The Bonnanos/Colombos are more akin to what is left in Philly than they are to the Westside, Gambinos and Lukes, it seems. Could be wrong though. I obviously don't know any of these guys personally.

PB, is your PM open?

Who is acting for Mancuso? I know officially it was DiFiore but is there someone else?

Tommy's at Fort Dix, very close to home. That place is a revolving door of short-timers. In short, getting messages out is very easy. So there are undoubtedly several "go-betweens," but I wouldn't call any of them "acting boss."

Why is that people underestimate the Bonnanos and Colombos just because their leadership got put away or is incompetent. I mean all the captains and the crews are still earning and if they need to do a piece of work or a new deal how likely is it they would need to go all the way up to the boss if it is hard and takes too long to reach them?

They have more than 100 made guys and a lot of them are still on the street its not like they just disapeared. The crimes are still happening, I don't think any real serious damage is done unless there is a sweeping indictment that throws a majority of them in prison and even at that point they'd still be a formidable size.

It's not that they're underestimated. It's just that the dropoff between the Luccheses (who are third, yet tied for first in the Bronx and Westchester) and the Bonannos/Colombos is very a big one.

The Luccheses (again, calling them third overall) have much more influence and money than the Bonannos and the Colombos. They're a behemoth in construction with a couple dozen construction millionaires in the family. But it doesn't mean that the Colombos and the Bonannos are done. It's just that the gap is a big one.

PB. How big would you say the gap is between the Westside & Gambino's?

Not as big as most people probably think. But it's still there.