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Louis DiBono did not live to see the buildings (Twin Towers) he failed to completely protect collapse to the ground.

It's interesting. I hear tons of hatred towards the terrorists who brought down the towers.

I don't hear much towards the Gambino family, for profiting off cutting back on fireproofing some of the buildings, which could have saved lives.

The very definition of irony.

Scumbag move. They're all crooks and thieves, but not all wiseguys are equal. You take a construction magnate like Crea. This is a guy who takes tremendous pride in the work his companies do. And he owns about thirty of them all above board.

If he found out that one of his guys was cutting corners like that, well, let's just say he wouldn't be very happy about it. People love to write about how white collar that Stevie is, and it's true. But if you knew him thirty years ago, you'd laugh at that assessment. He's no one to be fooled with.

I don't know if thats been proven or it's just one of the many conspiracy theories floating around.

If you're admonishing the shoddy construction and the cheapness of the mob owned companies who firewalled the building, that's fine. But I hope this isn't just some more hippy-dippy bullshit to remind us that not all Muslims are terrorists. Because that's really for another thread.

The former PB, a terrorist is a terorist.

But to address your other point, no, not all Muslims are terrorists. 99.9% aren't. That's obvious.

Mightyhealthy to answer your first question about the shoddy construction, it's a MUCH more abstract concept than a plane flying in to a building. Without some experience with engineering or some time doing some heavy research it's not verifiable that the DiBono construction led to more deaths. I also think there's an aversion to really looking in to the technical side of what happened today because it's just so fucking depressing, you know?



Look what you've done, now you've started an e-war x] I will disagree with you but it ain't for this thread! We need a middle east thread over in gen chat.

No offense to anyone here, but I'd rather not get into a Mid East war in genchat.

It's been done to death long before either of you ever showed up here. It's pointless.

Bible thumping righties vs 22-year-old self-hating White kids who haven't lived yet. Both extremes are retarded, so let's keep this thread on track.

I'm going to assume that wasn't a shot at me.

I'll bite. I'm neither a rightwing bible thumper or a 22 year old, so...


Overwhelmingly, those who have committed terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe aren’t Muslim.

here are some statistics for those interested. Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks in europe were committed by Muslims over the past five years? less than 2 percent.

The vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.

Groups like France’s FLNC, which advocates an independent nation for the island of Corsica. In December 2013, FLNC terrorists carried out simultaneous rocket attacks against police stations in two French cities. And in Greece in late 2013, the left-wing Militant Popular Revolutionary Forces shot and killed two members of the right-wing political party Golden Dawn. While over in Italy, the anarchist group FAI engaged in numerous terror attacks including sending a bomb to a journalist.

Have most people heard of these incidents? Probably not. But if Muslims had committed them do you think you our media would’ve covered it? No need to answer, that’s a rhetorical question.

Heard about the Buddhist terrorists? Extremist Buddhists have killed many Muslim civilians in Burma, and just a few months ago in Sri Lanka, some went on a violent rampage burning down Muslim homes and businesses and slaughtering four Muslims.

Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers in what are known as “price tag” attacks. These Jewish terrorists attacked Palestinian civilians causing physical injuries to 93 of them and also vandalized scores of mosques and Christian churches.

In the United States the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims. In actuality, 42 percent of terror attacks were carried out by Latino-related groups, followed by 24 percent perpetrated by extreme left-wing groups.

our media simply do not cover the non-Muslim terror attacks with same gusto. Why? It’s a business decision. Stories about scary “others” play better. It’s a story that can simply be framed as good versus evil with Americans being the good guy and the brown Muslim as the bad.


Now, I’m not saying to ignore the dangers posed by Islamic radicals, that would be foolish and dangerous. but it helps to look at things for what they are, not what sells in the media.

No, you know better than that. But this isn't the right section and it will eventually get locked. These threads never end well.

Plus, I'm sure that the guy who started the thread had no intention of turning it into a political pissing match.

True.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

You are spot on right,just look at Albanian UCK.They think they are freedom fighters,go figure...

I sure as hell think they would have lasted longer without gotti! fuggheddaboutit.

Lol, very good example Alex... even if it has fucking nothing at all to do with the threat... regardless, pretty cute.

Now now, boys. If the Serbs and the Albanians can co-exist in Queens, you can co-exist on a message board .

Never had any problem, you know that PB. It's just a little too "outta the blue" and irrelevant for me to take it as completely random.

Gotcha. I was only kidding anyway. But you're both good kids, so....

I just thought his comment was uncalled for, irrelevant and completely off-topic... not to mention a delicate and sensitive topic, at least for Albanians. I know that bud, no need to explain. Cheers!

Malandrino don't worry about it i didn't mean it as an insult.I like your posts and you seem like a nice guy,so don't be offended.Pb where in Queens Serbs and Albanians live together?Didn't know there were serbs in NY,thought only in Chicago and Ohio etc...?

The Serbians are one of the fastest-growing ethnic groups in the Ridgewood area of Queens. The Albanians are concentrated closer to Astoria and Long Island City. So you guys don't share a neighborhood, just a borough. For now, anyway. Because Astoria is getting very expensive, and so is Long Island City.

Unfortunately, gentrification will eventually push the poorer Albanians (and all of the poorer ethnic groups, for that matter) further south into Queens, or up to the Bronx (which has the highest Albanian population in the city anyway). Just a matter of time. Gentrification has consequences.

Double blame goes to the fire prevention bureau and building dept. !!!

Any Croatians over there, PB?

Yes, also in Ridgewood, along with the Serbs. But they're not nearly as concentrated. And what you have to understand about Queens is that--right or wrong--certain ethnic groups tend to get lumped together. So part of the "official" Serbian population in Ridgewood may actually be Croatian. Just like years ago when the first Middle Easterners were lumped in with the Greeks in Astoria, or when some of the Albanians got mixed in with the Italians back in the '70s here in the Bronx.

And like I said about Astoria, gentrification will eventually push out the bulk of the poor anyway. There are A LOT of private houses in Astoria (often 2-6 family). But even the private owners are getting in on the act. I mean, if they're hearing that the apartment buildings are charging $1500 for one bedroom apartments, they're going to follow suit. This is America. Everyone is gonna get whatever they can. Especially today.

I hate preaching, but I'll say it one more time. Gentrification has consequences, and they're unfair to the little guy. Don't get me wrong, it's great to pretty up the neighborhood. But not at the expense of pushing out families that have been there for three and four generations. That part SUCKS.

Well Croatians and Serbians get along everywhere in the world except right here where we are, lol, so that doesn't surprise me that one group goes with the other(in this case, the minor Croatian group with the major Serbian).

Lol now im curious also . Any Turks over there PB?

There's a pretty good sized Turkish community living in Sunnyside Queens, and in Midwood in Brooklyn.

That's correct. Moreso in Sunnyside, though. Midwood is starting to pick up some of the Bukharian Jewish population that's getting priced out of Forest Hills. And, in this case, it's not that Forest Hills is gentrifying. That's one Queens neighborhood that's always been nice and always been on the pricey side. But today it's getting even pricier.

You guys probably think I'm nuts with these stats. But I study demographic trends and shifts very closely. I make my living in New York City real estate these days, and as an owner you have to know what's in store for you. Now, some people may call that "racial profiling," or some other politically correct nonsense. But, to me, that's just looking ahead to see what's in store for me as an owner. Simple as that.

Now, get this thread back on track .