and just who is saying anything to the contrary of any of your "points", nice strawman argument. I can just assume your posts was made towards me because I had the audacity to speak badly about this poor fallen angel. ofcourse his personal circumstances have everything to do with it seeing that if he didn't have warrant for his arrest he wouldn't have ran and hence wouldn't have gotten shot. but I guess that's to much common sense for a liberal to understand.

As for your ridiculous comment about aiming for the arm or legs, as an avid gun owner myself I can say with confidence there isn't a cop on earth who is trained to shoot anywhere else but the chest. why? bc its the biggest target aiming for anything else just increases the risk of missing the target and having a civilian being hit with a stray.

but that's all a moot point anyway bc I can agree that no shots should've been fired in the first place. it just bothers me when people say why couldn't they have shot them in the leg? or just shoot the gun out of their hand!(not that this guy had a gun, im just speaking generally) bc its obvious that person is talking out of their ass and never had any real weapons training.

@Dell,

this is your full quote in the thread about "what is a criminal"

lol I don't quite remember making that post but I guess I did, and far be it for me to second guess myself. afterall a Dellacroce divided against itself cannot stand. but come on, as someone else said, a guy who's driving around in a benz but wont pay child support, as we know "a man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."

that was a great post moe, I feel exactly as you do.

Lol ofcourse you do

I hate that 'if you don't run you won't die' argument. Not everyone is gonna be a good little german. When fight or flight kicks in, you might choose to run. It's been happening forever like that. With the draconian sentences handed down in America, I can hardly blame people for taking their chances

He still shouldn't have sucker smacked him like that. In the ring they slap on the cheek and other parts to avoid causing lasting damage, plus you know it's coming. David Schultz slapped him on his ears then chased him after he got up and hit him more, off camera. He actually damaged Stossel's inner ears and he did sue. He settled with the WWF for $425,000. Schultz apologized to Stossel and to the WWF, but was fired, deservedly so. Still, it worked out for Schultz, he tried wrestling in a foreign league for a while then became a very successful bounty hunter.

And you might get shot in the back.

A lot of people complain about why cops don't shoot to wound or why cops don't shoot the hands or arms or legs. They are trained to shoot to the torso, to the center of gravity. They don't shoot at extremities because they are smaller targets and are easier to miss and may hit someone else, and may not stop the threat.

You're correct that cops are supposed to shoot if they are in fear for their lives (a common phrase that they use in court), or that there's an immediate danger to others. With this guy in SC there was no danger, which is why that cop is being charged with murder. Too bad it took a guy with a camera to bring an arrest, but cameras are the wave of the future. Cameras will protect good cops and put bad ones away.

And the cop might get charged with murder, since that is murder...

no argument there. that cop deserves a life sentence.

Anyone who brings up shooting them in the leg, etc, has absolutely no clue about firearms, law enforcement, hell even good criminals know better! If you unholster your sidearm and aim it at someone, shoot to kill or don't bother. Otherwise your simply making a bad situation worse. Plus hitting someone in an appendage, especially when they are a moving target is really difficult. People watch too many movies. Not to mention, gunshots to the femoral artery are often fatal due to lose of blood. Few perps deserve to be shot in the back while running away, but anyone that makes a comment about "why don't they shoot them in the leg", is probably too ignorant to be posting here!

True. Cops don't (and shouldn't) do leg shots. But they use that as an excuse for killing people who are no threat. Sometimes the guy gets away... it happens. Can't just kill everyone who runs. This isn't north korea

Hulk Hogan dropped Geraldo on his head once and was subject to legal action.

And the only reason I brought up the whole "shooting him in the limbs" thing is because the victim was running so slowly. This wasn't a high speed chase. The cop had time and the victim was in close enough proximity for the cop to shoot to destabilize him and not shoot to kill.

But then again, the cop should have just ran after him to begin with.

If he is too f*ing lazy to commence a chase on foot, then he shouldn't be a cop to begin with. He should be working at a desk.

There is something called recoil. You aim for a guy's legs you end hitting him in the back or chest.

reporter in Mexico, basically asks for the Stossel treatment asking Cowboy Bob Orton's son stupid questions.

Not that I'm advocating leg shots as a policy, but for recoil making you hit feet off the mark, a trained cop should hit what he aims for. If he goes for a leg and hits a chest due to recoil, he must have slept through training

So all cops are snipers?

Good to know.

ALL cops went thru weapons training yes.. and if they're gonna be carrying guns, I would hope they don't miss a slow moving target 10 feet away by a matter of feet. You don't exactly need to be a sniper for that

Dude, just drop it. There is no police station in the country that has a policy for shooting anything but the torso. This is well documented and it's not going to change. The reasons for this are legitimate.

When you wrote that the cop should have chased after him, yes, you were right on that point. He should have chased him, but he got pissed off and killed Walter Scott.

What's interesting though is that during the early 1900s it WAS policy to shoot fleeing suspects. If a cop told a suspect to stop and he didn't, the cop was allowed to shoot him in the back. Happened often.

Dude, the posts you're talking about have nothing to do with policy. Go read a few back. It was about the idea that a cop would aim for a leg and hit a chest instead because of recoil. Go read the first sentence of my post again

Recoil and other factors. When a target is moving it isnt that easy to get the site... oh fuck it i'm not going to explain it to you.

Ahh now the other factors come in to play. You may actually have a point with other factors involved. But your first post was clearly talking about recoil and only recoil. Anyone with minor training can account for recoil.

Fair enough.

You may think it has nothing to do with policy, but it absolutely does. The recoil and other factors that ItalianForever has been trying to explain to you all go in to policy, and this policy is not only standard for police departments, but also training academies throughout the country. So when a cop is pulling out his piece and is about to fire, he or she knows (or is supposed to know based on training) the physical reasons involved as well as the policy and legal reasons. Police officers are required to follow their training AND policy, and policy has the force of law.

There is just something about a big guy intimidating a small guy that I don't like. Does that supposed to mean the big guy has balls?

I would love to see him do that with the wrong small guy and see what happens. Like maybe the small guy would pay a visit to this guys father and fuck him up.

Agreed with you and Faithful. People are ignorant to say "why didn't he shoot the gun out of his hand" or "why didn't he shoot his leg". That shit is laughable.

When you shoot, you shoot to kill. This ain't no movie where everything is set up and everybody is hitting a string with a pistol from 300 yards which is a freaking joke.

Yea I laugh at him talking crap to that little dude and trying to bully him, yet the WWE is trying to take a stance against it. Go figure. Like you said, it would have been funny if he slapped Orton and knocked him on his ass.

how the incident was eventually resolved

http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Sergeant-in-slapping-video-due-in-court-Tuesday-6125415.php