In this day and age? It could be anyone from an Incumbent who got caught getting blown by a fat homely intern, to a community organizer from Chicago, by way of Hawaii and Kenya. Oh, wait....
Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
Who do you want to win?
A moderate, which is too tough to call right now. But if any of the tired old Democrats ever DID get the nomination, I'd hope for something like a Christie-Rubio ticket on the Republican side. That's a nice combination of youth and experience. And with the easing of Cuban-American relations (which I gleefully said was long overdue but would blow up in the Far Left's face), they'd run away with Florida, which would be huge.
But Christie will have to learn to keep his temper in check. It won't fly down south where they like the politicians to be Southern Gentlemen.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
Another Bush and another Clinton? Thomas Jefferson would be terrified. A hereditary monarchy was exactly what he was afraid of.
I like Rand a lot. I think his economic policy is crazy but his foreign and criminal policy is interesting. He worked with Cory Booker on criminal justice reform, which is notable because it was probably the only bipartisan project in years.
Cory booker worked a lot with republicans. He even praise mitt Romney. Until the democrates told him not to say anything that would help Romney even if it was the truth. Then like a real man of principle he stopped and became just another sheep to be lead by his handlers.
I like Elizabeth Warren, but I don't know enough about her yet.
If she runs for President and is ambushed by illegal alien advocates and dodges them, she's got my vote.
The next President needs to be pro middle class.
That means enforce the immigration laws, and resist H1B Visa incursion into all industries traditionally American.
Some might think that the President needs to be an Economics major to solve our financial problems, but that is not true. If you solve the immigration problems, you already solved the financial. This is because the amount of people we have out of work roughly equal the number of people with no business here occupying a job in an American company.
"For us, rubbin'out a Mustache was just like makin' way for a new building, like we was in the construction business."
any way , now that Hillary came out and wants the presidency, I don't feel the excitement for her in the democrat party, that was felt in years past.
can she win? the nomination maybe, but, can she beat the republican nominee? im not as sure of that as I once was.
The Clinton Pig will never be President. Mark it down. Pizzaboy: April 13, 2015. And I said as much back in 2008, but you'd have to do a lot of searching to find those posts. But they're still here if you look hard enough for them.
de Blasio (who I hate, but now have at least this reason to admire for three minutes) already backstabbed her (it's on the cover of both NY tabloids today). The Obamas hate her and will follow suit.
Why should Biden step aside for her? I think he's an idiot, but he's a two-term lame duck Vice President. Why should he step aside for her if he wants it?
Clinton, Kennedy, Bush, Taft, Harrison, Adams, Roosevelt, Rockefeller, and on and on and on. This is America. There's no such thing as a royal family here. That Kennedy Camelot bullshit always drove me up a fucking wall. Why did we break away from England in the first place if we're just going to keep putting the same families back in office?
I've grown far too cynical to post in these political threads lately. But for clarity's sake, I was a moderate Democrat for over thirty years. But I never in my life pulled the lever just because there was a (D) next to a candidate's name. Today I'm an Independent and a very jaded one at that.
Fuck Hillary Clinton. I'd vote for a qualified moderate female candidate in a heartbeat. But I'd rather give myself an appendectomy with a rusty surgical tool in India than utter the words President Clinton ever again.
But back to the original point. Pizzaboy: April 13, 2015. That woman will never be President. And I hope the pain of another grueling two-year long campaign and eventual heartbreaking loss ages her another twenty years. She already looks like steamed shit on a plate.
any way , now that Hillary came out and wants the presidency, I don't feel the excitement for her in the democrat party, that was felt in years past.
can she win? the nomination maybe, but, can she beat the republican nominee? im not as sure of that as I once was.
The Clinton Pig will never be President. Mark it down. Pizzaboy: April 13, 2015. And I said as much back in 2008, but you'd have to do a lot of searching to find those posts. But they're still here if you look hard enough for them.
de Blasio (who I hate, but now have at least this reason to admire for three minutes) already backstabbed her (it's on the cover of both NY tabloids today). The Obamas hate her and will follow suit.
Why should Biden step aside for her? I think he's an idiot, but he's a two-term lame duck Vice President. Why should he step aside for her if he wants it?
Clinton, Kennedy, Bush, Taft, Harrison, Adams, Roosevelt, Rockefeller, and on and on and on. This is America. There's no such thing as a royal family here. That Kennedy Camelot bullshit always drove me up a fucking wall. Why did we break away from England in the first place if we're just going to keep putting the same families back in office?
I've grown far too cynical to post in these political threads lately. But for clarity's sake, I was a moderate Democrat for over thirty years. But I never in my life pulled the lever just because there was a (D) next to a candidate's name. Today I'm an Independent and a very jaded one at that.
Fuck Hillary Clinton. I'd vote for a qualified moderate female candidate in a heartbeat. But I'd rather give myself an appendectomy with a rusty surgical tool in India than utter the words President Clinton ever again.
But back to the original point. Pizzaboy: April 13, 2015. That woman will never be President. And I hope the pain of another grueling two-year long campaign and eventual heartbreaking loss ages her another twenty years. She already looks like steamed shit on a plate.
Yeah, I really don't see nor want Hillary as our President. But, am worried if the younger generation of women will vote for her because of gender.
By the way PB, with the family dynasties I have no problem if a fifth cousin or grandson of a previous President wants to be President himself if there are decades in between.
Has there even been a thought about disquieting family members of a previous President from running?
Another Bush and another Clinton? Thomas Jefferson would be terrified. A hereditary monarchy was exactly what he was afraid of.
Spot-on, Sonny Boy. Outta the mouths of babes. See my rants about American political dynasties (or call a spade a spade and call them Royal Families). Nothing in American politics drives me more insane.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
I like Elizabeth Warren, but I don't know enough about her yet.
If she runs for President and is ambushed by illegal alien advocates and dodges them, she's got my vote.
The next President needs to be pro middle class.
That means enforce the immigration laws, and resist H1B Visa incursion into all industries traditionally American.
Some might think that the President needs to be an Economics major to solve our financial problems, but that is not true. If you solve the immigration problems, you already solved the financial. This is because the amount of people we have out of work roughly equal the number of people with no business here occupying a job in an American company.
Out of all of them that have declared or will likely declare, the only one (that I'm aware of) who will do what you are calling for on immigration laws is Ted Cruz. Elizabeth Warren would probably liberalize immigration laws even more than Obama's done. She's a dyed in the wool hardcore far-left progressive. She's on record as being a strong supporter of the Dream Act.
In this day and age? It could be anyone from an Incumbent who got caught getting blown by a fat homely intern, to a community organizer from Chicago, by way of Hawaii and Kenya. Oh, wait....
Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
Who do you want to win?
A moderate, which is too tough to call right now. But if any of the tired old Democrats ever DID get the nomination, I'd hope for something like a Christie-Rubio ticket on the Republican side. That's a nice combination of youth and experience. And with the easing of Cuban-American relations (which I gleefully said was long overdue but would blow up in the Far Left's face), they'd run away with Florida, which would be huge.
But Christie will have to learn to keep his temper in check. It won't fly down south where they like the politicians to be Southern Gentlemen.
Thanks for your reply boss. While I certianly like Christie, I don't think he has a shot. The repubs tried a moderate with Romney and it didnt work. Rubio on the other hand, while being a moderate, is also hispanic.
How can a 70 year old grifter relate to the middle class better than a cuban american whose father was a dish washer?
I agree. Rubio is a huge plus for the Republicans. I don't care what anyone says. They win Florida by daylight with him on the ticket.
Yeah but you still need ohio. If the repubs don't get ohio and get florida, they need a bunch of smaller wins like colorado, new mexico, and iowa.
Of course. The next President may very well be someone who 75 percent of the American public is completely unfamiliar with. Just like Obama was completely unknown by 75 percent of the American public in April of 2007.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
I agree. Rubio is a huge plus for the Republicans. I don't care what anyone says. They win Florida by daylight with him on the ticket.
Yeah but you still need ohio. If the repubs don't get ohio and get florida, they need a bunch of smaller wins like colorado, new mexico, and iowa.
Of course. The next President may very well be someone who 75 percent of the American public is completely unfamiliar with. Just like Obama was completely unknown by 75 percent of the American public in April of 2007.
Of course. The next President may very well be someone who 75 percent of the American public is completely unfamiliar with. Just like Obama was completely unknown by 75 percent of the American public in April of 2007.
Also Jimmy Carter.
And in a remarkable coincidence, they've been about equally effective as Presidents.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
That's an old trick out of the Democratic playbook....run an unknown candidate (ie. Carter, Clinton, Obama) and have the media run interference and surprise you have a new president!..it works for them. However, this election is a little different for them...their selection is extremely limited..its either Hitlary or the communistic (I'm a millionaire, but I decry wealth for you) Elizabeth Warren. On the other hand, the Republicans have been known to let opportunity pass them by before...its Tweedle Dee vs Tweedle Dumb.
In a long thread discussion with F1...we talked about "Joe the Plumber" and the "Obama is an Arab-woman".Both appeared to be plants.
well here is another seemingly planted person and story....and it seems to be being done to help Hillary
Can't make this stuff up
Na, its not done to stop hillary. It's just a women expressing her opinion. If the republican establishment was anti women, it woulden't have allowed mccain to choose palin.
I woulden't be suprised if this whole thing was made up by the Dems as a ploy. The Dems are really worried about Rubio, who can much more relate to the middle class than Hillary.
There was a time when I would have backed McCain. When he put the nation's well-being at risk by potentially placing that grinning bubblehead a heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world, I lost all respect for him.
" No matter how big a guy might be, Nicky would take take him on. You beat Nicky with fists, he comes back with a bat. You beat him with a knife, he comes back with a gun. And if you beat him with a gun, you better kill him, because he'll keep coming back and back, until one of you is dead! "
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There was a time when I would have backed McCain. When he put the nation's well-being at risk by potentially placing that grinning bubblehead a heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world, I lost all respect for him.
Too bad people don't feel the same way about Obama who put the mentally retarded serial groper in the VP spot.
There was a time when I would have backed McCain. When he put the nation's well-being at risk by potentially placing that grinning bubblehead a heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world, I lost all respect for him.
Too bad people don't feel the same way about Obama who put the mentally retarded serial groper in the VP spot.
Say what you want about him on a personal level, at the end of the day it's all about policy, and he's consistently come out for what he believes in against Obama's interests - been frozen out of the "inner circle" as a consequence, and refused to toe the line when he doesn't believe in something.
Here's my scorecard.
Hilary Clinton
PROS
-Tough negotiator? -Umm.... -Still thinking....
CONS -We do not live in a fucking dynasty -The hair -Might be a robot -Probably a wallstreet stooge -Not at all a liberal in foreign policy -Establishment stooge -What exactly will she actually change?
Definitely do not want to vote for her. Since no one else from the Democratic party has the balls to step up, I've been looking at GOP candidates and the only one who remotely resembles my views is Rand Paul. On one hand, his economic policies are just as extreme as his father's. But...two of his policies definitely appeal. Opposition to mass incarceration and an unwieldy drug war. Like I said in another thread he already made progress with Corey Booker to reduce terms for nonviolent offenders. There's no reason pot usage or even dealing should land someone behind bars without the possibility of parole. And I like his foreign policy. It's been a long time since we had someone cautious of the ramifications of war, especially economically for our own country. I liked Jefferson's foreign policy. Even Reagan believed in peace by strength.
He supports a market-based solution for climate change...so he has at least recognized climate change. The difference between him and Ron was dogmatic in his views. Rand will change when he needs to get ahead. And although he's a longshot, that's why he can lead in the polls. And maybe one day take the whitehouse.
No interest in Jeb Bush for the same reason as Hilary. In fact their views are hard to tell apart.
I'll preface this by reiterating that I was a moderate Democrat for thirty years before the party went completely off its nut. The party that my Italian immigrant grandparents embraced as their Savior is dead and gone.
Re the tired old line about Republicans hating women. It reminds me of the Far Left that's forever jumping on the Catholic Church for its treatment of women. Like Mary---A WOMAN---isn't the most important figure in our faith, save for The Holy Trinity .
It's smoke and mirrors, and bullshit on top of bullshit. In other words, it's politics as usual.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
I'll preface this by reiterating that I was a moderate Democrat for thirty years before the party went completely off its nut. The party that my Italian immigrant grandparents embraced as their Savior is dead and gone.
Re the tired old line about Republicans hating women. It reminds me of the Far Left that's forever jumping on the Catholic Church for its treatment of women. Like Mary---A WOMAN---isn't the most important figure in our faith, save for The Holy Trinity .
It's smoke and mirrors, and bullshit on top of bullshit. In other words, it's politics as usual.
See, I just don't know where you get this from. The democratic party in America is centre-left compared to ANY comparable western government. There are very few democrats in America that propose raising taxes and social spending to the point of left-wing parties in Australia or Europe. Liberalism in Scandinavia would be called socialist or even communist by most American standards. But in the EU its standard fare. The GOP on the other hand is further right than any its contemporaries in the rest of the world. For example, in Britain UKIP is considered far right extremist because they want to slow down and halt immigration...whereas in the GOP thats very run of the mill even for moderates.
If the international stuff is putting you to sleep, let me put it this way: a few years ago Romney proposed a plan similar to Obamacare, 10 years ago Bush supported immigration reform, 30 years ago Reagan supported the Brady Bill, and all the way back in the 60's Nixon formed the EPA. Very few Republicans will take similar stances in this day and age.
The only change in the democratic party is its now more bought-and-paid-for than ever. And lets be honest, they all are.
The only change in the democratic party is its now more bought-and-paid-for than ever.
If my rough around the edges vocabulary is putting YOU to sleep. let me put it this way: Bullshit. The Ellis Island Democrats (1880-1920) resembled Eisenhower Republicans far more than post-Kennedy Democrats.
And I never said that the Far Right wasn't completely off its rocker. They're fucking crazy, too. I wouldn't vote for a Bible-thumping lunatic on the Right any faster than I'd vote for a tree hugging Lefty who wants to shut down every construction site from coast to coast.
But you know how much I like you, and I value your opinion and friendship here. I think you're a great kid. So let's just agree to disagree.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
To be completely fair, you know I've only SEEN the last 20 years or so you might be right.
I agree not to BS over politics although its fun to get your goat, though. Who you thinking of voting for PB? By the way I'm sorry about all your recent headaches. I wish your dad the best. And Lieber the worst.
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you might be right.