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Mob's most intricate killings? #835024
03/28/15 06:41 AM
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Im interested to learn of more LCN murders that are quite cleverly planned out. The best example I could find is where Peter LaTempa was poisoned in his jail cell.

Are there any other examples that go along the lines of: poisonings, prison murders, impersonated police officers?

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On June 24, 1946 two shotgun blasts were fired by Outfit hitmen at James Ragen.Ragen was still alive and was rushed to the nearest hospital.He was in critical condition and remained alive until August 14, when he died under mysterious conditions. It was later reported that Ragen’s autopsy showed traces of mercury in his blood and abdomen indicating that someone had entered his room and poisoned him.

Also the infamous Abe Reles case.Rumours were that the cops who wached Reles were paid by the mob to throw him from the window of his hotel room.

In 1931,Anton Cermak was elected Chicago's 36th mayor, he wanted to take over the city and to destroy the Outfit with the help of rival gangs.Ted Newberry, a former associate of George "Bugs" Moran and Roger Touhy sided with Cermak against the Capone mob.One of Newberry's and Cermak’s obstacle was Frank Nitti so Cermak summoned two members of his special police squad to Nitti's office, Harry Miller and Henry Lang.They went to his office and Lang fired five shots into Frank Nitti but Nitti managed to survive.Later on February 15, 1933,Anton Cermak was shot to death while shaking hands with the President Franklin Roosevelt in Miami, Florida.Legend goes that the Chicago Outfit was behind the hit because of revenge but theres no real evidence.


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I don't recall if it was Leonetti, Scarfo or Petey Crumb Caprio who supposedly planned a hit consisting of a hit team, a clean up and transport team, a digging a hole team, and another team to unearth the body and take to another previously dug grave.

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I think was it was Angelo Bruno?

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Yes I think thats it

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Found this on Gangster Inc.

"Bruno ruled his Family with a low key style directed mostly to the traditional rackets. He held it tight and strict and always handled business extremely professional. Like the time Bruno had to deal with a guy who was robbing bookmakers connected to the Family. The guy had been warned but wouldn't stop and so Bruno ordered the hit. The contract was given to then soldier Nicky Scarfo (he would become boss in the early 1980s.) The victim was lured to a bar where he was strangled and stabbed to death. Bruno then ordered Scarfo to take the body to a spot in the woods nearby where another Bruno crew had already dug a grave. But Scarfo and his crew were told not to bury the body, they were instructed to leave the body next to the grave. They were told another crew would bury the body. When Scarfo and his crew had left, Bruno sent two of his most trusted men to pick up the body. First they filled the grave with dirt, then they took the body and buried him at another location. That way if any members of the Scarfo crew or the crew originally assigned to dig the grave decided to flip and become informants they'd have nothing to deliver. The grave they went to would be empty. This was what made Bruno the most succesful boss in Philadelphia Family history it also gave him the nicknames "The Docile Don" and "The Gentle Don" because he never lost his cool and always handled his business in a professional manner."

Re: Mob's most intricate killings? [Re: Beanshooter] #835038
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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
I don't recall if it was Leonetti, Scarfo or Petey Crumb Caprio who supposedly planned a hit consisting of a hit team, a clean up and transport team, a digging a hole team, and another team to unearth the body and take to another previously dug grave.


Sure did. The Philly mob tradition was to section off separate parts of the murder to different units, so unless everybody flips, you can't know the whole story. Caramandi explained the logic in his book. To me, it seems like assigning the contract to a handful of trusted people only would be a better way to go about it, but I understand why in the 40's and 50's this was an attractive strategy. Especially because it can be a prerequisite to involve certain people in a murder just so you can make 'em.

Easy, buffalo mafia. That guy who they killed in LA. Drinking my coffee gimme a minute and I'll edit in what happened.

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The cannoli in "Godfather III."

Poor Connie got the blame, but I heard that it was all because of bad refrigeration. The cream just went bad. A tragic accident.


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Re: Mob's most intricate killings? [Re: pizzaboy] #835043
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
The cannoli in "Godfather III."

Poor Connie got the blame, but I heard that it was all because of bad refrigeration. The cream just went bad. A tragic accident.

lol

The Paul Castellano hit was brilliantly planned and executed (no pun intended). Put together by Frank DiCicco, it used four shooters wearing identical hats and coats, and using identical guns, with a pair of shooters assigned to each victim (Castellano and Bilotti). The identical garb, and identical weapons, made it impossible for witnesses to make a positive I.D. of any individual. And, the big show of force probably intimidated witnesses.


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Sounds a little like the 3 capos hit, except that nobody fucked up here.
I'm really liking the Bruno story though.

Also, pretty much any murder by the DeMeo crew, but that' a given since they had perfected murder to an art form.

Oh yeah the Castellano hit went down flawlessly... the people thought they were KGB/Russian killers at first. lol

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-I shot him a coupla' times.
-What's a couple?
-Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times?
-Maybe fifteen?
-Hmm, it could've been fifteen...

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Oh yeah the Castellano hit went down flawlessly... the people thought they were KGB/Russian killers at first. lol [/quote]

And the funny thing it was 2 blocks from the United Nations. So dressing up like a Russians really didn't attract that much attention. LOL

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Yeah good mention of the Castellano hit.

Im trying to remember this one shooting. Some made guy was shot and put in the hospital, and later someone dressed as police officer turned up to finish the job. I think the movie Carlito's Way made a reference to it?

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Hoffa.

A million conspiracy theories, and a dozen guys taking credit, from crooked lawyers to chronic jailhouse liars (although lawyers and lying criminals are hardly mutually exclusive).

Yet he's missing without a trace for forty years. It doesn't get much more intricate than that.


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In Sicily, 1994, Domenico Raccuglia and Michele Traina on Giovanni Brusca's orders killed Girolamo La Barbera, the father of an informant, and made it look like suicide. However, it wasn't staged very well, since they are serving life for that now, but at least they tried.

There have also been some hits staged as accidents in Italy; in 1995 the captain Natale De Grazia who investigated toxic waste trafficking was poisoned in such a manner that nobody still got it when and where exactly the poison was administered.
Also, the Melito Porto Salvo 'ndrangheta boss Natale Iamonte and his politician friends allegedly masterminded a "car accident" in which a man was killed who opposed their construction projects in zones with unstable soil, where it was risky to put up buildings.


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2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Probably fair to say that the most intricate hits are the ones we've never heard about wink

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Originally Posted By: Malandrino
Sounds a little like the 3 capos hit, except that nobody fucked up here.
I'm really liking the Bruno story though.

Also, pretty much any murder by the DeMeo crew, but that' a given since they had perfected murder to an art form.

Oh yeah the Castellano hit went down flawlessly... the people thought they were KGB/Russian killers at first. lol

Castellano was definitely the ballsiest, in my opinion.

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Carmine Schiavone administrator and consigliere to the Casalesi clan died on February 22 2015 of a heart attack after fell from a roof where he was doing repairs.
Now since it was a turncoat, was 72 years old and was for many years in witness protection, and had complained that wasn't protected well, certainly he wasn't on a roof to make repairs.
Was said that was paid someone to throw him off the roof and then from fright he had the heart attack, but there is no evidence.

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Originally Posted By: ThisGuyOverHere
Originally Posted By: Malandrino
Sounds a little like the 3 capos hit, except that nobody fucked up here.
I'm really liking the Bruno story though.

Also, pretty much any murder by the DeMeo crew, but that' a given since they had perfected murder to an art form.

Oh yeah the Castellano hit went down flawlessly... the people thought they were KGB/Russian killers at first. lol

Castellano was definitely the ballsiest, in my opinion.


I have to disagree, the killing of albert Anastasia was the most daring of all.

imagine the consequences if the contract was botched.



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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I have to disagree, the killing of albert Anastasia was the most daring of all.

imagine the consequences if the contract was botched.

And if the Castellano hit was botched?

Castellano would have teamed with Chin, and the entire Commission would have had no choice but to go along with them.

The entire Dellacroce faction of the family, along with the Castellano faction traitors, would have paid the price.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I have to disagree, the killing of albert Anastasia was the most daring of all.

imagine the consequences if the contract was botched.

And if the Castellano hit was botched?

Castellano would have teamed with Chin, and the entire Commission would have had no choice but to go along with them.

The entire Dellacroce faction of the family, along with the Castellano faction traitors, would have paid the price.



There was no room for mistskes ( hence the big hit team )

According to Gravano," john tells them ( the shooters) this hit is huge, if the cops turn up shoot it out with them. If we don't get these two guys, we are ALL DEAD"

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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Hoffa.

A million conspiracy theories, and a dozen guys taking credit, from crooked lawyers to chronic jailhouse liars (although lawyers and lying criminals are hardly mutually exclusive).

Yet he's missing without a trace for forty years. It doesn't get much more intricate than that.


Pizza, have you read Sheeran's book Heard You Paint Houses? I read it, the lack of crazy conspiracy theory type stuff in it makes me believe him. It just seems the least ridiculous of the stories. (He also claims to have killed Joey Gallo, that one seems more far fetched.)

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I thought the John McCullough hit in philly was pretty creative.The door rings at Christmas time and a delivery guy with flowers is standing there.Mrs. McCullough lets them in while her marked husband is talking on the phone.The great guy bearing gifts excuses himself to retrieve more beautiful presents but returns with death.I think that is ruthless,cunning and very lcn.It is Scarfo.Hell,they were even arguing how much to tip the guy.This had them fooled perfectly

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Originally Posted By: Fleming_Ave
Pizza, have you read Sheeran's book Heard You Paint Houses? I read it, the lack of crazy conspiracy theory type stuff in it makes me believe him. It just seems the least ridiculous of the stories. (He also claims to have killed Joey Gallo, that one seems more far fetched.)

I tend to shy away from most of the books, Fleming. Especially those set outside of my comfort zone (New York). But I'll check it out based on your recommendation, and when I'm done with it I'll shoot you a pm. Thanks! smile


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I read the Sheeran book when it first was published. If I recall correctly, Sheeran told his biographer that he was in the place where Hoffa must have been whacked, but did not actually witness the murder, nor did he kill Hoffa.


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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
I read the Sheeran book when it first was published. If I recall correctly, Sheeran told his biographer that he was in the place where Hoffa must have been whacked, but did not actually witness the murder, nor did he kill Hoffa.

I'll check it out, TB. You know how I feel about poorly written mob books. The only thing worse is a poorly made mob movie (which is most of them).


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Originally Posted By: MemphisMafia
I thought the John McCullough hit in philly was pretty creative.The door rings at Christmas time and a delivery guy with flowers is standing there.Mrs. McCullough lets them in while her marked husband is talking on the phone.The great guy bearing gifts excuses himself to retrieve more beautiful presents but returns with death.I think that is ruthless,cunning and very lcn.It is Scarfo.Hell,they were even arguing how much to tip the guy.This had them fooled perfectly
the guy who shot McCullough was a Young kid called Willard Moran

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Yeah Domwoods,also Scarfo wanted "Long John" dead for using an unmade associate for the killing.Martarano was to plan and execute the hit.I believe Leonetti stated he ran into Moran years later in witsec prison,maybe Arizona.I guess Martarano came up with the delivery plan.

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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
I read the Sheeran book when it first was published. If I recall correctly, Sheeran told his biographer that he was in the place where Hoffa must have been whacked, but did not actually witness the murder, nor did he kill Hoffa.


I will double check, but he said he shot Hoffa in the back of the head. There were other guys there, in another room, they were apparently there to dispose of the body.

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Jon Favara actually. Sad story, but its pretty interesting that they never found his body compared to all the other hoods who's body's ended up being discovered

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Nicolo Rizzuto-a single sniper bullet took him out in his mansion in the middle of a family dinner.....talk about getting a guy where he feels safest.


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