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Re: Family structure
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03/25/15 04:45 AM
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Yup and it shows how much power and say that Carlo Gambino had. The books weren't opened until he passed. I'm sure he played a big role in keeping the books closed.
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Re: Family structure
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03/25/15 05:06 AM
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Yep, like Nino Gaggi and a few others. I'm curious how or why these guys were made... were they that special? Who else that we know of was made between 1957-1975?
-I shot him a coupla' times.
-What's a couple?
-Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times?
-Maybe fifteen?
-Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
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Re: Family structure
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Yep, like Nino Gaggi and a few others. I'm curious how or why these guys were made... were they that special? Who else that we know of was made between 1957-1975? I'm so interested in that time frame with the mob because of the events that were happening. A lot of history during that time. Also started the decline of the American mafia.
"My uncle(Nicky Scarfo) always told me, you have to use your brains in this thing, and you always have to use the gun." -"crazy" Phil Leonetti-
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Re: Family structure
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03/25/15 08:37 AM
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Yeah, there's so few guys made in the 60's. Guess they must have been pretty special.
-I shot him a coupla' times.
-What's a couple?
-Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times?
-Maybe fifteen?
-Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
-Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso
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Re: Family structure
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03/25/15 10:47 AM
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Good Question. I think it varies from family to family. The Gambinos used to be the largest family and still may be. Other families especially outiside of new york tended to be less. I know when they opened the books in 1976 they allowed 10 new members to be made from each family in New York. However over the next year they intiated a lot more According to former Lucchese acting boss Al D'Arco, the max membership established back in Luciano's day were: Genovese - 300 members Gambino - 300 members Colombo - 150 members Lucchese - 125-140 members Bonanno - 125-140 members I don't recall if it was Valachi or Bonanno, but but I think these were the max figures from one or both of them: Genovese - 450 members Gambino - 400 members Bonanno - 350 members Lucchese - 250 members Colombo - 200 members According to Capeci: Genovese - 400 members Gambino - 300 members Bonanno - 300 members Colombo - 200 members Lucchese - 175 members The membership figures today in NY have been fairly steady over the last 15-20 years. The Genovese and Gambinos are estimated to have approximately 200 members each. The Bonanno, Lucchese, and Colombo members are each estimated to have a little over 100 members. I believe it's still the case that they can only replace members who have died (though there has been cheating with that). I don't know if they still do the 2 additional members at Christmas thing.
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Re: Family structure
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03/25/15 12:03 PM
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I believe it's still the case that they can only replace members who have died (though there has been cheating with that). I don't know if they still do the 2 additional members at Christmas thing.
Ivy, has it been established that they actually do replace all the dead members if they can do so? I was thinking for example the case where Gotti wanted Chin to make new members (so they would thank Gotti for it) and Chin didn't want to make anyone on the list "yet". In other words, have there been cases where bosses don't make as many members as they could if they don't match the quality requirements?
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Re: Family structure
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03/25/15 02:41 PM
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I always wondered how NY imposes their will on east coast families. I have read about NY influence in new england, philly, and jersey in terms of when they could make members. How do they enforce that? Would they realistically send an army to blast away over other families making members?
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Re: Family structure
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03/26/15 11:34 AM
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Ivy, has it been established that they actually do replace all the dead members if they can do so? I was thinking for example the case where Gotti wanted Chin to make new members (so they would thank Gotti for it) and Chin didn't want to make anyone on the list "yet". In other words, have there been cases where bosses don't make as many members as they could if they don't match the quality requirements? Yes, the rule is that the families can only replace members who have died (unless the death is a result of an internal dispute, i.e. the family killing ones of it's own). For example, there was that list found in Junior Gotti's possession that showed a Lucchese induction list of prospective new members next to the dead ones they were replacing. Prior to a ceremony taking place, these lists get past around to the other families to vet them and, if I remember correctly, the other families have 2 weeks to raise any objections. As far as the conversation between Gotti and Chin, it seems the Genovese had 30 slots to fill, i.e. 30 members had died and had yet to be replaced. Why Chin was holding off on making them, I don't know, but apparently the family made up for it later on. They reportedly made 30 new members in 1993-1994. I always wondered how NY imposes their will on east coast families. I have read about NY influence in new england, philly, and jersey in terms of when they could make members. How do they enforce that? Would they realistically send an army to blast away over other families making members? I think it's more about recognizing them. In other words, what good is being a member if it's not recognized by other mafiosi? Especially the "big boys" in New York? In other words, it's more about politics than the threat of violence.
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Re: Family structure
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Thank you for the information Ivy. Actually I guess since the membership has gone down on every 5 families, they can't be replacing all dead members and inducting 2 more every year... It would be interesting to know how they control the size in proportion to other families as the membership lowers. Or was the closing of books the only reason/method to the decreased numbers?
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Re: Family structure
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03/27/15 10:03 AM
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Thank you for the information Ivy. Actually I guess since the membership has gone down on every 5 families, they can't be replacing all dead members and inducting 2 more every year... It would be interesting to know how they control the size in proportion to other families as the membership lowers. Or was the closing of books the only reason/method to the decreased numbers? The membership of the 5 NY families are down from their peak decades ago but they've been remarkably stable over the past 20 years or so. Closing the books for years at a time was a big reason the numbers declined. But the NY families have shown the ability to maintain their current membership for a long time. In short, they are able to replace members who have died .
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Re: Family structure
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Wasn't Joseph “Taddo” DeMarco killed in 1958? He and Nick Martello of the Lucchese's were arrested for dealing drugs and both murdered, supposedly to set an example. That is what I read anyways.
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Re: Family structure
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Thanks to Pogo the Clown
Colombo Family:
Likely candidates for the 1951 and the 1954-57 ceremonies:
Joseph Colombo
Carmine “Junior” Persico
Joseph “Crazy Joe” Gallo
Lawrence “Larry” Gallo
Joseph “Joe Jelly” Gioeli
John “Sonny” Franzese
Joseph "Joe Yack" Yacovelli
Anthony “Abby Shots” Abbatemarco
Salvatore “Sally Pro” Profaci
Charles “Charlie Moose” Panarella
Benedetto "Benny" Aloi
Vincent “Vinny” Aloi
James 'Jimmy Ski' Scianna
Anthony 'Tony Ski' Scianna
Bonanno Family:
1957:
Vito DeFilippo
Likely candidates for the 1954-57 ceremonies.
Carmine “The Cigar” Galante
Philip “Rusty” Rastelli
John "Johnny Burns" Morales
Frank “Musso” Mari
Michael Adamo
John Aquaro
Nicholas "Nicky Cigars/Glasses" Marangello
Stefano “Stevie Beefs” Cannone
Thomas “Smitty” D’Angelo
James D’Angelo
Salvatore “Sally Fruits” Farrugia
Joseph “Little Joe” Notaro
Peter Notaro
Michael “Mimi” Sabella
Dominick 'Little Mimi' Sabella
Armand “Mondo” Pollastrino
Michael “Mikey Z” Zaffarano
Joseph “Bayonne Joe” Zicarelli
Angelo Presenzano
Frank Presenzano
Sorreno Tartamella
Antonio Badalamenti
Samuel “Hank” Perrone
Carl Simari
Peter Cinquemani
Antonio Messina
Joseph Messina
Salvatore Bruno
Michael Cosenza
Russell Andaloro
Antonio Cacciopo
Giuseppe Titone
Philip “Phil Lucky” Giaccone - ?
1968:
Vincenzo Asaro
Gambino Family:
Likely candidates for the 1950, 1953 and 1954-1957 ceremonies.
Paul “Big Paul” Castellano
Aniello "Niel" Dellacroce
Joseph “Joe” N. Gallo
Frank “Frankie Loc” LoCascio
Steven Armone
Joseph “Joe Piney” Armone
James "Jimmy Brown" Failla
Anthony “Little Tony” Carminiti
Stephen "Steven Coogan" Grammauta
Salvatore "Toddo" Aurello
Louis “Louie” DiBono
Joseph "Joe" Arcuri
Vincent “Bozzi” DeCicco
Anthony Scotto
Mario Traina
Frank Corbi
1960:
Anthony “Nino” Gaggi
Lucchese Family:
1954-1957:
Frank Borelli
Genovese Family:
1957:
Frank Cacciatore (sponsored by Generoso DelDuca)
Joseph “Taddo” DeMarco (sponsored by Generoso DelDuca)
-Separate ceremony
Joseph Pagano (sponsored by Joseph Valachi) (Could have been in 1958)
1954-1957:
Vincent “Vinny Bruno” Mauro (sponsored by Joe Valachi)
Pasquale “Pat” Pagano (sponsored by Joe Valachi)
Fiore “Fury” Siano (sponsored by Joe Valachi)
Likely candidates for the 1954-57 ceremonies:
Vincent “The Chin” Gigante
Mario Gigante
Dominick “Baldy Dom” Cantarino
Dominick “Dom the Sailor” DeQuarto
Dominick “Fat Dom” Alongi
Lawrence "Little Larry/Fab" Dentico
Frank “Farby” Serpico
Thomas “Tommy” Lombardi
Anthony “Tony Boy” Boiardo
Joseph "Joe the Indian" Polverino
Anthony “Little Pussy” Russo
Thomas “Tommy Murphy” Pecora
Timothy “Timmy Murphy” Pecora
James “Jimo” Calabrese
Ralph “Spud” Vaccaro
Peter “Pete the Bull” Landusco
John “Johnny Cokes” Ladieri
Carl “Leash” Scalesa
Louis “Lucky” Percello
Louis “Lou Red” Gatto
Joseph “Joey” Miniscalco
Alphonse “Allie Boy” Cuomo
Nicholas Russo
FNU “Lay Lay” Cecere
Victor Pisauro
Angelo “Chippo” Chieppa
Angelo Sica
FNU “5 Brothers” LNU
FNU “Joe Black” LNU
1967:
James “Jimmy Nap” Napoli
Guiseppe “Joseph” Sabato
When was Bill Bonanno made?
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Re: Family structure
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1954 according to Bill himself. Then Captain in 1959, Consigliere in 1964. He was a bum and his daddy made him. #PUNK
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