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Real reason for rat infestation? #830102
02/23/15 08:48 PM
02/23/15 08:48 PM
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ItalianIrishMix Offline OP
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I am real curious as to what lead to the destruction of such a strong and well organized institution.

Looking back at some of the most popular rats in LCN, I believe that everyone here would flip if they were in the shoes of, Leonetti, Valachi, Caramandi, D'Arco, etc.....Meaning, if you know that your boss deals with all his problems by killing, I don't blame any of them for doing what they did.
I mean let's be honest, how many people have, "balls the size of cows!"(Tommy Agro., 1981)
Sonny Black and Johnny Simone are only 2 that come to mind BUT,

I have read that, aside from the days are numbered theory, the REAL reason is that made members family's were not being cared for when they got clipped for whatever crime....They were stuck in jail, unable to earn and, no one was doing the right thing.

True/False?

If this practice was customary, who was expected to make sure it happened?

Re: Real reason for rat infestation? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #830116
02/24/15 03:00 AM
02/24/15 03:00 AM
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There are several reasons, the first of which is the RICO law and the creation of the Witsec thenthe declared war from 1980 by the FBI, the Police and the DA at 5 Families in New York in particular and other crime families in general.

Very important after the Commission trial, the old and respected bosses were replaced by younger and arrogant bosses but above all greedy,trigger happy and blood thirsty.

An example Anthony DiLapi controlled the Lucchese family's Teamsters union in New York City's Garment District, a bookmaking business and owned part of vending machine company in Brooklyn.He also worked with Thomas Gambino, the son of Carlo Gambino and son-in-law of Tommy Lucchese in extorting business in the Garment district. After being released from prison DiLapi was summoned to a meeting with Anthony Casso, and fled.Casso ordered to whack DiLapi even he is a good erner and he was murdered by Joe D'arco in L.A.;
Casso ordered the murder of Fat Pete Chiodo for the windows case,but chiodo due to its weight survived and flips,
In the 1980s the Jersey Crew gave to Corallo only 50,000 a year to the family,would be enough to order them to pay 10 % of annual profits,but Casso gave the "Whack Jersey" order,so Accetturo and Ricciardi flips; Al D'Arco understand that will be killed so flipped with his son joe.

The Colombos because of Carmine Persico nepotism triggered a war that scuttle the family, The Gambino because of Gotti and his long tongue had the high-ranking rat Gravano that flipped because Gotti will gave all the blame on him;the Bonanno which until 2004 had no rats, after Massino flipped there was a chain reaction, only the Genovese with only 6 rats remain the most stable families.

For philadelphia is even simpler, Scarfo Sr. ordered to whack Salvie Testa for a stupid newspaper article, when Caramandi and DelGiorno were arrested knew they were sentenced to death and tried to save his life, the bloodlust of Scarfo was also disgusted his nephew Leonetti, that idolized his uncle since he was 8 years old.


In the end it all comes down to that until the 80's, there were bosses who put criminals values of respect and loyalty before the money, and then with the new boss what has changed, and then came the rats. Also because one thinks why me 20,30 years When can testify against my "friends" get me a few years or nobody, is going in Witsec maybe keep the money made with crime,writing books and do the good life.

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Re: Real reason for rat infestation? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #830124
02/24/15 04:33 AM
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In an interview with New York Times writer and Mafia historian Selwyn Raab, Accetturo said he would have never even considered turning informer had Corallo still been running the family. In those days, he said, the Mafia was run by men who never put money above honor and only killed as a last resort. As he saw it, Amuso and Casso were the ones who betrayed Cosa Nostra principles. Accetturo was especially bitter about Casso, saying that "all he wanted to do is kill, kill, get what you can, even if you didn't earn it."


-I shot him a coupla' times.
-What's a couple?
-Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times?
-Maybe fifteen?
-Hmm, it could've been fifteen...

-Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso
Re: Real reason for rat infestation? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #830126
02/24/15 05:12 AM
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Yes Malandrino I read Raab Five Families too,and this is what I can try to say.

Re: Real reason for rat infestation? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #830130
02/24/15 05:26 AM
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Simply put the government got smarter and stronger. RICO was obviously the key in the commission trial wich pretty much was the beginning of the end. Joe Bonanno pretty much gave Guiliani the ammunition to go after the commission. Then of course the hi tech surveillence and bugs buried them. Flipping guys became easy afer that

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Re: Real reason for rat infestation? [Re: furio_from_naples] #830163
02/24/15 08:38 AM
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"Very important after the Commission trial, the old and respected bosses were replaced by younger and arrogant bosses but above all greedy,trigger happy and blood thirsty."

That may be true with many of the families, but not with the genovese family. Gigante was still in charge, yet peter savino still became a turncoat. That tells me that it couldn't only be internal problems. No doubt internal factors such as bad bosses played a role, but I think that the new tools the government had forged along with great public support against OC in the 80s and 90s due to corruption, drug problems, etc the mobsters saw that the writing was on the wall. It has to be intimidating, even to mobsters, when the government can bug a car and use the intelligence gained to put someone away for 100 years.

Re: Real reason for rat infestation? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #830176
02/24/15 10:29 AM
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Quote:
only the Genovese with only 6 rats remain the most stable families.


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