Greg depalma thought joaquin garcia was italian when he was cuban. Brasco help kicked bonnies off commission

Definitely Brasco, whether in scale, humiliation or otherwise grand scheme of things. The guy spent 6 years undercover, no contest here. Sonny was basically the acting street boss of the family and wanted to get him made.. the only reason he didn't get made was purely because of FBI bureaucratic bullshit.

Pistone is an arrogant prick and one of those guys who's completely indoctrinated by the good government crap, but achievement-wise you gotta give him full credit, he put a big dent into the Bonannos and a big slap in the face to the whole mob.

Donnie Brasco case def hurt the family. But even if there was no Brasco there was still the Massino flipping in 03. Destined to be doomed.

Massino did to that family what Pistone was trying to. Wonder if Pistone is happy about that since he couldn't get to Massino during his undercover work.

What about Salvatore Farruggia then? I thought he was acting boss, so never got it why wasn't he the first one to be targeted by the FBI in this case.

I thought you were asking which guy is more embarrassing. Because if I see that arrogant prick Pistone one more time, I'm going to throw up. Walks around likes he the center of the universe and pretending like the mafia ninja assassins are still out to kill him.

Hahah, I know right? All for show I knew right away when I saw that in his documentary.

Donnie Brasco definitely did a lot more damage, no argument there but at least he was italian. Joaquin wasn't Italian at all and Greg was gonna make him allegedly.

Ridiculous, with those fucking sunglasses. They were never hitting a Fed. Not then, not now. He's a jerkoff.


Cuban Pete the Fat Pig Fed took advantage of a desperate old man. Greg's habits were so predictable and easy to see coming, that the Feds set the operation in motion a FULL YEAR before DePalma even got out of jail. And I've posted plenty about Greg's shortcomings, especially in a recent thread. He was an abusive bully. But what's right is right.

I don't care for Garcia or Pistone, and it has nothing to do with the mob. I'm not an apologist and I know they have their jobs to do. But Pistone's infiltration was a lot more impressive, by leaps and bounds.

I just got finished reading making Jack Falcone. You are right Pizza, they took advantage of the old man. He was dead broke coming off that scores case and saw the goose with the golden egg. What I am wondering is where were all the other guys around Depalma in all this? This random obese dude with a story about south florida all of a sudden starts handing Greg knots and nobody questions him or his story?

I also quesiton the whole "making" thing. I doubt that Falcone was more than a mark to Depalma.

The funny thing was though, is that in that scores case, Depalma only got 70 months (below the guildeines) because he was supposedly on his last legs. he got sentenced in a prison hopsital. Yet hes out five years later back to the grind.

Well, I know that we've seen plenty of mob guys on phony oxygen tanks at their sentencing. But Greg DID already have his cancer when he was sentenced for Scores. He was just too thickheaded to die. He lived with it for YEARS.

That he survived THAT sentence was a miracle. The Judge wasn't cutting him another break. That's why he was the only one to go to trial in the Garcia case. He knew he had to beat the case or die in jail. Which he finally did.

That and he had a jury trial on ordering a hit on somebody. I can't remember the name off top. But he beat that case while in jail for the scores thing and then gets out of jail. Definitely a very tough man. Garcia consistently talks about how much respect he had for Depalma.

The book (and again, its just one side) says that the original target was Funzi Sisca, Chris Sucurata, and Louis Fillipelli. They were shaking down a strip club and the strip club owner called and asked for help from the feds. It was only after Depalma got out of jail ( a few months after the investigation started) that they started focusing on him. DEpalma apparently called the strip bar owner and told him that he was the guy they needed to pay now that he was out. According to Garcia, it was at that point, that they switched the focus of the investigation to Depalma.

Nicky LaSorsa. That hit never would have gone down anyway. Nicky's a gazillionaire who was capable of consistently feeding the administration millions, while Greg consistently sent them to prison. Jailhouse braggadocio on Greg's part. It was never going down, and that's why he beat that case.


That's bullshit.

The original rat in the case, Fat Pete, was with Greg, and co-owned Pretty Woman with Greg's son, Craig, and Willie (who Greg turned into a rat in the Scores case). Falcone can claim whatever the fuck he wants. But Fat Pete set the operation in motion when the Feds were going to bury him with prison time for tax evasion. He approached them while Greg was still in the can.

That's Gospel. Anyone with an ounce of street knowledge in the Bronx will tell you the exact same thing. It's not like I'm claiming that it's like "inside information."

Re Fat Pete: He recently left Witness Protection, too. He's living under his real name in a fancy upper Connecticut town. It's over (for the most part), no matter what some people claim.

So Garcia is lying then? Fair enough. Probably for a more interesting story.

That's not what it's in the book Italian Forever. Yes the Falcone operation was targetting Filalpeli and Sisca and also the Albanians that shook down the club. Yes after a few months DePalma was released but they kept away from him because he had issues for taking the hit out on LaSorsa. They even mentioned that the feds went to see DePalma and that he might have a hit on him and Depalma blew them off. After they followed DePalma around they saw him meeting with Megale and trying to re connect with people then they decided to concentrate on Depalma. Garcia also says how the club was under him and his son and had a sit down with Filapelli that its was on record with Depalma.

Fat Pete (they didn't use his real name in the book) approached the Feds while Greg was still in prison. He handed Greg a lousy three or four grand a few days after he came home, and Greg fell for it hook, line and sinker. It mushroomed from there.

I said the target was Fillipelli and Sisca. What was wrong with what I said? I forgot the albanians?

your right my apologies.

The falcone book sucked! He tries to make all these cute italian references and fails.

But I understand that he makes a nice rice and beans.

But is Garcia of Italian or Latino origins? Garcia is a Spanish surname, but some Italians have Spanish-originated names like Frank Martinez (Stanfa's underboss) or John "Johnny Burns" Morales.

He's Cuban American.

Garcia's about 3 Cuban Americans.

3 and a half to be more precise. Does this guy also claim that the mob put a contract in him? I'm asking cause I never bothered with his book.

I dont think so. He mentions a lot that the mob isn't what its used to be. He gave an example of a beef between depalma and an associate showing how weak they actually are. He isn't as bullshit as pistone regarding the retaliations I think. At least he doesn't wear sunglasses during interviews...

Hey, leave Pistone alone. We all know he scouts the area for snipers when going for an interview, and then checks the bathroom and under the table for a taped gun.

You would do the same if there were hundreds of hitmen hunting you down.

I don't care what anyone says. Pistone is a greater man than all the mafia put together and has balls like grapefruits for doing what he did.

Would any of you guys infiltrate the mob for several years, wear a wire knowing all the time that one slip of concentration could put you six feet under? I know I wouldn't.

The man does not deserve mockery and scorn for protecting and serving his country.

And the man had more loyalty to guys like Sonny Black than any of his "friends" in the mafia.

We all know what those guys that played a hand in Sonny's death did once the going got tough.

I would do what he did if i had the chance yes. I dont value my life that much and struggle with depression so it would be the ultimate adrenaline rush for me. 100% would.

More loyal to sonny black than his own crew? Yeah, no.

You say this, which is fair. But but then you say this:


So what kind of agent did that make him if he went off the reservation and was "loyal" to Sonny Black? You can't have it both ways.

Because if you consider him an American hero, that's fine. But you can't call him a hero, and at the same time call him "loyal" to Sonny. Because if he was "loyal" to Sonny, then he was a traitor to the Government. You can't have it both ways.

Now I personally don't think that he was a traitor to the FBI. He made it very clear that it was him or them the whole time, and that the internal conflict that he felt was greatly exaggerated in the film. I believe him there.


Me? No. Because, although I'm not a mob apologist, as an Italian American I'm not self-hating enough to do something like that.


That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. But I'm just as entitled to the opinion that they were never hitting a fucking Fed. Not then, not now, not ever. This isn't Sicily. So he can take those sunglasses and shove them up Anne Heche's twat (I think that's the actress who played his wife ).

pb... you mean you have to be a self-hating Italian[pistone] to work for the FBI and infiltrate?