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Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: Friend_of_Henry] #825117
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Originally Posted By: Friend_of_Henry
Oscar: Do you know who was the Grandfather of the two brothers interviewed sitting a the bar in the Youngstown Club?


I'd have to go back and watch it, where in the video could I find it and I'll take a stab at it.


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Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: jnaples3] #825123
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Try 1:13 into the clip and you'll find it.


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Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: Friend_of_Henry] #825129
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I do not know, I recognized both of them but couldn't remember the name.


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Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: Oscarthedago] #825147
01/22/15 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: Oscarthedago
Another strong faction of Youngstown was the Carabbia brothers, Charlie, Ronnie & Orlie. If Ronnie didn't get sent to prison for the Danny Greene murder, he was chosen to assume control of Cleveland's Trumbull County rackets for longtime Capo/Consigliere Anthony "Tony Dope" DelSanter who died around 1976. etc......


Tony DelSanter was born March 11, 1911 and Died August 1, 1977

BTW it is amazing how much the FBI just kept following everyone around back then. My Wife's car wouldn't start one night out at Cherry's and Tony DelSanter lent her his car and she drove it to Akron. While overnight the "Mechanics" worked on her car. She parked it in her driveway and someone pick it up and dropped her car off. A friend of hers saw a picture from the FBI showing Tony's car in her Driveway. The Time frame was like Midnight to 5:00am for this above scenario.

Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: FriendoftheFamily] #825148
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Originally Posted By: FriendoftheFamily
Originally Posted By: Oscarthedago
Another strong faction of Youngstown was the Carabbia brothers, Charlie, Ronnie & Orlie. If Ronnie didn't get sent to prison for the Danny Greene murder, he was chosen to assume control of Cleveland's Trumbull County rackets for longtime Capo/Consigliere Anthony "Tony Dope" DelSanter who died around 1976. etc......


Tony DelSanter was born March 11, 1911 and Died August 1, 1977

BTW it is amazing how much the FBI just kept following everyone around back then. My Wife's car wouldn't start one night out at Cherry's and Tony DelSanter lent her his car and she drove it to Akron. While overnight the "Mechanics" worked on her car. She parked it in her driveway and someone pick it up and dropped her car off. A friend of hers saw a picture from the FBI showing Tony's car in her Driveway. The Time frame was like Midnight to 5:00am for this above scenario.


Doesn't suprise me, Tony was a pretty powerful guy!


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Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: jnaples3] #825211
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Same shit, different Monday...

Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: jnaples3] #825262
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Please excuse/ignore our conversation. Sometimes us small town folks forget that the only real LCN was in New York or Chicago.


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Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: Friend_of_Henry] #825269
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Originally Posted By: Friend_of_Henry
Please excuse/ignore our conversation. Sometimes us small town folks forget that the only real LCN was in New York or Chicago.


LMAO


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Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: PetroPirelli] #825270
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Originally Posted By: PetroPirelli
Same shit, different Monday...


What's that Petro?


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Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: Friend_of_Henry] #825360
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Originally Posted By: Friend_of_Henry
Please excuse/ignore our conversation. Sometimes us small town folks forget that the only real LCN was in New York or Chicago.


The NYC folk/buffs don't consider anything outside of there to be true cn

Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #825434
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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Originally Posted By: Friend_of_Henry
Please excuse/ignore our conversation. Sometimes us small town folks forget that the only real LCN was in New York or Chicago.


The NYC folk/buffs don't consider anything outside of there to be true cn


I know plenty of New York people that recognize LCN outside of NY/CHI/PHILLY. And for those New Yorkers who don't recognize any LCN from other, smaller families...so be it. Their power was real and widespread. Families like Pittsburgh controlled all of Western PA, Northeast Ohio, the panhandle of West Virginia and Jamestown, NY. FYI: In the heyday in Pittsburgh/West Virginia/Youngstown, steel and auto were the main industry, but manufacturing in this region made this region very wealthy. Everybody was working, wages were great and everybody gambled. There was an illegal casino in Youngstown called the All American Club and the FBI said after they busted it out that it was the largest illegal casino in the country, "netting" $20 million a year for the Pittsburgh family from that one casino. Youngstown also had the Jungle Inn which was a nationally known illegal casino in the 1940's-1950's. Pittsburgh had casinos along Rt 30 in West Virginia, all over Western PA and in Northeast Ohio and owned several in Havana, Cuba with Meyer Lansky, Santo Traficante and Frank Costello. While it may not be NY, they also had no competition from other families and because the city politics hierarchy was smaller, it was also easier to corrupt. LaRocca and Genovese were big fish in a smaller pond...but they were important enough to go to Appalachin and be recognized as one of 24 original mafia families.

Here's a great article on the history:

http://newsinteractive.post-gazette.com/prohibition/

http://old.post-gazette.com/regionstate/20001106mobnow6.asp

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Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: jnaples3] #825456
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Back to some Youngstown FBI files:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=92769&relPageId=3

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=92771&relPageId=4 (Dominic Mallamo, Calabrese Making ceremony, GREAT READ on how the Calabrians who were part of the N'Drangheta made their soldiers)

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Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: jnaples3] #826123
01/28/15 04:07 PM
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jnaples3, you started this thread. Anything you want to add or have questions about. May as well come out JN3. I know some of your cousins, DT, GT and the whole Vitale clan, especially Loretta, her and my mom grew up together.

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Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: Oscarthedago] #826158
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^^Drop some knowledge on us regarding Cleveland, some stuff we don't already know.

Great intel overall!

Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: Sinito] #826180
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Originally Posted By: Sinito
^^Drop some knowledge on us regarding Cleveland, some stuff we don't already know.

Great intel overall!


What kind of information are you looking for?


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Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: jnaples3] #826187
01/29/15 10:08 AM
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I'm somewhat surprised that whatever is available regarding Cleveland hasn't already been posted.

Maybe Spadine could chime in as he appears to be most current with whatever may or may not exist in Cleveland today.


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Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: jnaples3] #826282
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Since the topic is on the Youngstown area, how about some stories on how Cleveland worked with/against others in the Y-town area.

Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: Sinito] #826302
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Originally Posted By: Sinito
Since the topic is on the Youngstown area, how about some stories on how Cleveland worked with/against others in the Y-town area.


Tony DelSanter (Cleveland Capo) ran the Trumbull County (Warren/Niles, OH) rackets until his death in the late 1970's along with Charlie Imburgia (Pittsburgh Consigliere) and profits were split, 50% going to Cleveland and 50% going to Pittsburgh. Charlie and Tony had a very good relationship. In Mahoning County (Greater Youngstown), The Carabbia Brothers, Ronnie, Charlie & Orlie) had all of Struthers, OH as well as the eastern part of the county in towns like Lowellville, Columbiana, and parts of the city. The Pittsburgh Faaction had the rest of Mahoning County, Western PA and most of the city of Youngstown. Dominic Mallamo and Paul Romeo were the dominant force in Youngstown for decades but by 1981-1982 all the power was passed to Jimmy Prato (Mallamo's nephew) and Joey Naples. The Pittsburgh-Cleveland War lasted from 1976-1982 and Pittsburgh assumed total control over all rackets since the upper echelon of Cleveland were all being indicted for narcotics as well as the Danny Greene car bombing.


As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: Oscarthedago] #826307
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Originally Posted By: Oscarthedago
Originally Posted By: Sinito
Since the topic is on the Youngstown area, how about some stories on how Cleveland worked with/against others in the Y-town area.


Tony DelSanter (Cleveland Capo) ran the Trumbull County (Warren/Niles, OH) rackets until his death in the late 1970's along with Charlie Imburgia (Pittsburgh Consigliere) and profits were split, 50% going to Cleveland and 50% going to Pittsburgh. Charlie and Tony had a very good relationship. In Mahoning County (Greater Youngstown), The Carabbia Brothers, Ronnie, Charlie & Orlie) had all of Struthers, OH as well as the eastern part of the county in towns like Lowellville, Columbiana, and parts of the city. The Pittsburgh Faaction had the rest of Mahoning County, Western PA and most of the city of Youngstown. Dominic Mallamo and Paul Romeo were the dominant force in Youngstown for decades but by 1981-1982 all the power was passed to Jimmy Prato (Mallamo's nephew) and Joey Naples. The Pittsburgh-Cleveland War lasted from 1976-1982 and Pittsburgh assumed total control over all rackets since the upper echelon of Cleveland were all being indicted for narcotics as well as the Danny Greene car bombing.


How many people went down for the Danny Greene Bombing/ War with him he killed a few of there people too didn't he?

Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: jnaples3] #826495
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As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
Re: Ohio Mafia especially Youngstown Ohio [Re: jnaples3] #827047
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^^Good stuff.

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