Casso-Amuso, Leonetti-Scarfo, Gotti-Gravano, Franzese-Persico.


Those all stand out. very violent guys. Some borderline psychotic. What's interesting is, the underbosses were worse than the actual bosses. Even in Philly imo.

Some total sickos there lyk....Just hooligans really. Think the mob has become wise to these type of guys in top tier positions. You want these fella's cracking heads, not doing the thinking.

franzese? do you mean langella?

Was it Jerry and Carmine in the 80's ?

correct

Franzese was underboss since the late 60's right?

Edit: He was probably under indictment.

negative

Sonny is the kind of guy you keep around for when you need somebody hurt, he rose to underboss because he stayed around forever, and other guys fell off.

Lang was for the first half of the 80s

he was in prison most of his life, not a factor as is portrayed . strong man ,ton of time . respected..he got framed and ruined his life

I don't know how many times ive asked myself why they let the violet freaks run families. look at he destruction they caused.

if the mob doesn't learn something from those bosses, then they will be down forever.

The 80s colombos werent as bad as the 90s colombos but yeah that seeems to be the exception rather than the rule. Look what the genovese did to philly.

To be honest, the 40s 50 and 60s did have higher body counts but the mob was operating with impunity so it was more hush hush. The 80s did have a much more frantic psychotic feel.

They get respect from other monkey brains in the family for kicking peoples heads in don't they.....doesn't mean they know how to run a secret, covert organised operation though.

I think he's right because in the 80s with the process the Commission and the war declared by the FBI to the five families, the bosses who had spent years to gain power but above all mutual respect, were incarcerated with long sentences and emerged various sociopaths said above.

Casso and Amuso were violent drug traffickers, same thing for Gotti and Gravano while the first was still alive thanks to the protection of Dellacroce and with his death, Gotti knew he had to strike first and did murder Castellano; Gravano was more opportunistic and realized that Gotti would give him all the blame and decided to rat.

Persico even though sentenced to 100 years decided to remain the boss and found a dynasty, a move that will lead to the start of the war in the early 90s.

Escaped only the Bonannos, because they had been kicked out of commission for the Donnie Brasco affair and the Genoveses of which the FBI until the rat of fish cafaro thought the bosses was Fat Tony Salerno and not Gigante.

Fr Philadelphia were the Genovese to convince Caponigro to make murder Angelo Bruno to take possession of the racket caponigro in north jersey and to operate without a permit in Atlantic city and make bosses Nicky Scarfo that for its violence had been exiled in atlantic city for order of bruno, the rest is history's family philly has never be the same.

For other families the 80s were the beginning of the decline: the outfit has lost its casino in las vegas, the death of Patriarca sr and control of his son port to ruin the family, in 1987 died Trafficante and Miami became an open city etc.

Aiuppa/Cerone/Carlisi/Ferriola? Joey Fucking Lombardo?

Total number of Outfit murders in the 1980's - 51

1990's -11

From Wayne Johnson's book and CCC.

Weren't the 1970's just as violent for the Outfit? Lots of high profile hits with Giancana, Roselli, and Nicoletti.

By the 1990's, there weren't many people left to whack. They were mostly dead or in prison.

Yes, there were 105 Outfit-related murders in the 70's. I was giving 80's numbers based on the thread that asked about the 1980's.


Same source.

I think South Florida was always an open area. Trafficante only controlled the Tampa area.

you're right mulberry, holyday in florida where Lefty Ruggero opened the king's court is in the tampa area.My bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_organized_crime_in_Chicago#1960s

July 2, 1980 - Alleged Outfit "hitman" and muscle man William Dauber and his wife, Charlotte, were chased in their car and shotgunned to death after leaving the Will County, Illinois, courthouse, allegedly by four Outfit tough guys, Gerald Scarpelli, William Petrocelli, Frank Calabrese, Sr., and depending on the source, Joseph "Jerry" Scalise, or Ronald Jarrett.[194] Calabrese's brother, Nick, corroborated that Frank had participated in the Daubers' killings during the 2007 "Operation Family Secrets" trial.

Feb. 10, 1983, Japanese, Chicago mob boss Ken Eto survived a Mafia hit and, then, testified in court against the Chicago Outfit, sending more than a dozen fellow mobsters and corrupt cops to prison. Eto's failed assassins, Jasper Campise and Johnny Gattuso, were later found dead in the trunk of one of their cars.

Feb. 13, 1985 - Long-time mobster and West Side Outfit street boss Chuckie English, downgraded to a mob "soldier" and put in Joseph "Joey the Clown" Lombardo's crew after English's good friend and former Mob boss Sam Giancana's murder, was shot to death in an Elmwood Park, Illinois, restaurant parking lot, allegedly by an Outfit "hitman." Nobody has been charged with the murder

June 14, 1986 - Alleged Outfit Las Vegas overseer Tony Spilotro and his brother Michael, an alleged low-level mob associate, went missing. Their bodies were later found beaten and together in a shallow grave, in a cornfield, in Enos, Indiana. According to autopsy testimony given later in court, the brothers were not buried alive

Sept. 1986 - Outfit juice loan collector and one-time, no-show union official John Fecarotta was gunned down while being chased on foot in front of Brown's Banquet's, Inc., 6050 W. Belmont Avenue,

think here was so many killing in the 80tys because they open the books in the mid 70tys and let so many new guys in that didn't act rite so they got clipped. Colombo made guys and clipped them in a 1 or 2. look a scarfo he makes pat the cat and has him whacked 1 year later.

Fellas any details on Matty the horse's history in Times square and his influence?

Also I remember reading that Robert DiBernardo was a gambino skipper in the 80s that had control over some of the porn stores and business in times square. Any truth to that?

Yes,Robert "DB" DiBernardo as the major figure behind the US adult industry, he was a relatively capable businessman who did not have any personal reputation for involvement in violence, but his Mafia links deterred potential competitors and warded off other criminals. He became immensely influential in the US pornography business, and an associate of Reuben Sturman. Whether DiBernardo's relationship with Sturman and others was based on outright extortion or mutual advantage was never established. DiBernardo was seen as a phenomenal money maker, secretive, and a lone operator (unlike most Mafia members of his status, he did not retain a 'crew' to back him up) all of these traits made him vulnerable to others within Gotti's organisation. Di Bernardo, who had been target of a Federal investigation into child pornography, was awaiting sentence when he was murdered by fellow associates of Gotti, the body was never found.

In fact angelo ruggiero convinced gotti to give the OK to kill DiBernardo because he would not pay his debt of 250,000 and Gravano gain control of Teamsters Local 282.

Thanks for the reply furio great info.

So it was ruggiero that wanted him gone I always thought it was gravano?

He was a capo right? But he had no crew, no soldiers or any associates working w him besides the Sturman guy u mentioned?

Anyone know more about Matty the horse's history w time square porno shops and titty bars? How far back did his control go? Did conrad take over when he died? My guess would be knoe bc he died recently and I believe time sq changed to the tourist nightmare at least 20 yrs ago, but figured id ask more knowledgeable new york posters..thanks for any info guys

DiBernardo was unlucky, on the one hand a boss (Gotti) greedy and arrogant, there was no reason to kill him because was a good earner and was a capo without a crew behind and certainly was not a danger to anyone;could say that ruggiero did not want to give him $ 250,000, Gravano would gain from his death and Gotti had no reason for don't gave the ok.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuben_Sturman

Reuben Sturman (1924– October 27, 1997) was an American pornographer and a legend in the porno golden era.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Ianniello

In 1960, Ianniello became partners with Edward L. DeCurtis, a longtime associate, in running private afterhours drinking clubs for gay men.Ianniello would eventually own a string of clubs and nightclubs for both gay and straight men, including the Gilded Grape and the Hay Market.

At the beginning of the 1970s Ianniello was promoted to caporegime. By now, Ianniello controlled over 80 restaurants and sex-oriented clubs in New York, including most of those located in the Times Square area of Manhattan.[6] Officially he still had a respectable job with the union.

n 1986, Judge Weinfeld sentenced Matthew Ianniello to six years in prison on a racketeering charge that involved skimming over $2 million from bars and restaurants (including Umberto's Clam House, the Peppermint Lounge, and a topless bar called the Mardi Gras, all in Manhattan), secretly owned by Matthew; his business partner Benjamin Cohen of North Hills, L.I.; and seven associates.

Gotti wasn't any more greedy than any of the other people in the mob, it was Castellano who was even greedier. Also, I believe the Outfit has killed around a 1000 people according to the Chicago mob documentary on youtube where it lists all the missing people the police think the outfit killed. so there must have been a ton of murders from them in 20s-60s

yes extortion but Castellano would order to ruggiero to pay the debt,would not have ordered to kill DiBernardo if there was not a good reason.