The big thing for me here, is the 5 capo's....your not gona have 5 capo's if you haven't got loads of operations going on. Its a stone wall fact.

Visiting a friend in Tampa figured it would be to cold there so go a lil more down the gulf coast and it st peters. Plus the misses found a nice hotel cheap ocean front looks nice. Think I should go further south what Naples or Meyers or what e er the Sox an Yankee s spring train. Mixing it up which ever ones on the gulf side guess its way warmer. But bet I'm taking the rental to merlino so I can post a review shit I ask Joe to sign a napkin. Fanboy

Just here to further my knowledge fella, if that makes me a fanboy....then whatever...I mean..what are you doing on here then? Are you a gangster bb mob snob or something?

I thought that Merlino was going inside the first week of January? Unless you're going before that?

Anyway, if you can afford Naples then it's no comparison. That entire area is gorgeous. We're on the east coast, just north of Merlino's (in Delray Beach). But my brother's in laws have a place on Marco Island and we get out that way every so often. The whole area is pristine. And if you happen to be a golfer you'll be in Heaven.

Pmac is another member in long standing here. He never beefs with anyone either. He was jokingly referring to himself as a fanboy.

Stop being so defensive. This is a great place .

Sorry dude, yer your right fella...i'm like a fizzed up can of coke over ere.

So you guys don't think that most of these mafia families don't have "Skeleton" members that LE and in some cases one another don't know about? I'm just guessing, but the number has to be at least 2 handfuls for each.

I don't know about Detroit and I don't care. It's too fucking cold there anyway .

But it's all relative. If any given family is, say, twenty percent bigger than the Feds give them credit them for, you still probably won't have a hundred guys if the Feds think you have only twenty. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle (it usually is).

Agreed. I could care less myself and you're right, it is too cold. lol....Fair point...

You would pay to go to Detroit? lol

Save your money.

Stranger things have happened, you can get guided tours of Chernobyl these days... https://chernobyl-tour.com/english/

This also doesnt mean much, the suburban thing. Geographical shifts have aided the mob in this era. Lets not forget Squitieri and Meagle, who operated a large crew, uninterrupted for 10 years, in Westchester County, despite themselves being based in NJ and CT. Luccheses & Bonnano's have always operated with significant success in Long Island. This also goes for Boston & NE, people inaccurately claiming their dead and extinct because the supposed boss is based in Rhode Island. Operating in a nearby affluent suburb doesn't mean the guys there are no longer NY Families. This goes for Detroit and everyone else whos still around and in which sources have pointed to them still operating on an organized scale.

@IvyLeague, the discussion is whether they're dead or not. I dont recall ever seeing many people claim they were this huge operating gambit, but people on this forum have been saying exact claims of Detroit being defunct and inactive. And I think the Kansas City comparison is way off, personally. Like by a lot.

I get what you're saying. But for accuracy's sake, Tony hasn't been on the street "uninterrupted for 10 years" since he was made. Hell, he's never had five straight years without going back inside. Maybe this time, though. He got out last week.

The thing about Tony is, and I've posted this before, is that he got off with Louie's Bronx crew even though he was technically with Breezy. He was cutting a game in Morris Park long before he was made, which is unheard of for an associate from out of state. He's a bright guy and he impressed his out out state superiors at a young age. That Westchester sits in between the Bronx and Fairfield counties plays no small part in the influence that he eventually gained there. He pole vaulted over Greg in that regard.

And Zeke's done (which has nothing to do with your original point, I'm just putting it out there).

I'm sorry for hijacking the thread. Now you guys can go back to discussing Detroit .

Looking at the available evidence, I don't think what's left of the mob in Detroit and Buffalo is much different at this point. The only difference is you still see Detroit listed in some lists of remaining families and, of course, Scott.

My point is that some guys remaining being involved in bookmaking and loansharking isn't necessarily indicative of a large, viable, hierarchical organization still in tact, which is what those charts suggest.



If by "legitimate names," you mean they all exist I won't disagree. But I have a hard time believing they are all made. And I've explained why more times than I can remember. But people who like what Scott is saying choose to ignore it.

The family was reported to have a max of 30 members back in the big 1996 bust - nearly 20 years ago. The figure was the same when it was cited 5 years later in a 2001 article. Fast-forward 5 years after that and Scott's own book cited 25 members. Furthermore, from 2000 to the present, there have been over 20 members/possible Detroit members who have died. Are we really supposed to believe that, unlike any other remaining family in the country, Detroit has been able to not only keep it's membership level stable but actually increase in size? Especially with all the members who have died? People can talk about Scott's sources all they want but over the past several years his charts had fluctuated from around 30 members to nearly 60. I think he does his best with the available info but to take his charts as gospel, while ignoring all of the other evidence, is willful blindness on your part.

And, whether you like it or not, the relative lack of indictments in Detroit is part of that contradictory evidence. We have families in New England and Philadelphia that actually do have 40-50 members and show much more activity but aren't as hierarchical as what the Detroit chart shows. Also Chicago, with 25-30 members, for that matter.

Hey, but don't take my word for it...


Members/Possible Members who have died since 2000:

Carlo Bommarito (2007)
Antony "Tony Long" Cimini (2005)
Anthony "Tony the Bull" Corrado (2002)
Vincent "Little Vince" Meli (2006)
Anthony "Tony Jack" Giacalone (2001)
Anthony "Fat Tony" Giacalone, Jr (2013)
Vito "Billy Jack" Giacolone (2012)
Jack "Jackie G" Gianosa (2003)
Salvatore "Sammy G" Giordano (2002)
Dominic Licavoli (2003)
Salvatore "Soupy" Lentine (2002)
Anthony "Pretty Boy Tony" Munaco (2005)
Leonardo "Leo Monday" Monteleone (2006)
Rafaela "Jimmy Q" Quassarano (2002)
Joseph "Jo Jo" Ruggirello (2013)
James "Jackie Two Guns" Russo (2012)
Anthony "Tony T" Tocco (2012)
Jack "Black Jack" Tocco (2014)
William "Billy Boy" Tocco (2007)
Dominic "Lefty" Tringale (2007)
Frank "Chinky" Versaci (2012)
Dominic Viccari (2001)


1996 article -

Until this week's arrests, the Metro Detroit crime family had remained largely intact, with more than 100 associates and 29 "made members," or those who took an oath of allegiance through blood letting.
http://www.forensic-intelligence.org/mob/40062.htm

2001 article -

Yet the organization "has not gone dormant," says Joseph M. Finnigan, organized crime supervisor for the FBI's Detroit office. Nor will it as long as people still play the numbers, call a bookie, gamble at an after-hours casino or arrange an illegal loan to cover their losses. New members have replaced the old, keeping the local Mafia's size at about 30.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Wise-guy-blabbermouths-damage-Detroit-Mob-s-image-2924863.php

2006 Motor City Mafia -

Significantly reduced in numbers - recent FBI accounts place Motor City Mafia membership at roughly 25 made members..."

2011 article

Even after imprisonment of senior leadership, it survives, and in some places thrives, though most experts agree that its operations are now largely confined to its traditional bases in the Northeast and Chicago.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704115404576096392318489246



I'm not sure I recall anyone say they are "dead" or "defunct." If, by that, you mean there are no living members left. Or only a few that are inactive.

I think most would agree that there are still LCN members in Detroit that are active - mainly in bookmaking and loansharking, as well as whatever legit businesses they have. But are there 50+ of the them? Or is whatever structure still in tact that hierarchical? Doubtful.

"That city is hurtin' so bad"

When people say "Detroit" they aren't referring to the metro area/city proper.

The surrounding suburbs & townships are doing just fine and are some of the best places to raise a family in the Midwest.

Grosse Point can be called exclusive, no?

I didn't mean Squitieri himself, I meant the crew in it's entirety. Selwyn Raab also says in Five Families, "After an unimpeded ten-year run, a Gambino crew with headquarters in upscale Westchester County was put out of business through the arrests of seven reputed made men and twenty-five associates."; But you're actually right though, even though I didn't mean Squitieri himself, him and Meagle were only Acting Boss & Underboss, so during that uninterrupted ten-year run, there's was undoubtedly other guys running things.

And to IvyLeague, there isn't nearly anything reported or heard through guys who claim to be "in the know" about Kansas City and any made, or connected guys running any loansharking or gambling, though. I've seen a few, and by a few I mean two or three articles. And no one really talks about Kansas City, it's always been like that due to them being a small family, but they really still made noise and headlines back in the day. Now? Really not so much. They got hit with Attrition a lot more harder than Detroit did, I think. You still here a little bit of those things about Detroit, not a lot, but definitely more than Kansas City.

And is it possible that the reason some of Scott's charts had fluctuated is because he may have been counting associates as well? Even if, 25-30 made guys is still enough for a substantial crew and for them to be making money through shylocking and gambling/bookkeeping, and through legal ventures like they've done in the past. And some have stated on this forum that Detroit is pretty damn near defunct, some going as far as saying they have no presence in the city. We've never claimed Detroit was some huge army, at least I haven't. I don't think Scott has either nor any of his sources if you read some of the quotes they've made to him. But they also don't imply that they're out there on their last breath either. I think there's still a quite substantial pool from these guys to draw from simply because most of them are related, some of the numerous young nephews and cousin's friends may be drawn to the Detroit Mob life as well, especially if a lot of them see and understand the closeness of the Family and how they've managed to stay low and out of federal prisons while still making money.

Absolutely.

There was a mob-related bookmaking bust in Kansas City back in 2010. I agree that what's left of the mob in Detroit is stronger than what's left in Kansas City. My point was that there still being mob guys involving in gambling and loansharking in a certain area isn't necessarily indicative of a strong family still in place, which is what was being argued in regards to Detroit.



Well, if you're going to make a list of made guys, you obviously shouldn't include associates. Or you should at least say that the list also includes associates. Scott's never done that. The impression has always been that everyone, except for the one or two non-Italians listed, are made. Like I said, I think he puts everyone on there because he's not exactly sure about many of them. But when his lists show twice as many members as other estimates, any objective observer has to question it. By the way, Scott himself has said that it doesn't appear that the upcoming generation in Detroit will have many who will join the life.

I wonder who Scott's source is on all of this....surely Giacalone etc must be pretty pissed someone has leaked who his new admin is.

I think the new regime in Detroit are bunch of noodles. They had their life's planned out for them when they were still in diapers. The old-heads remaining are ignorant and made all their money smuggling drugs in from Canada after prohibition was up from their fudda's n mudda's. Has anyone seen the new generation of Detroit LCN LOL. I remember someone posting a picture of some of the newly made guys LOL-LOL

Was it a Jersey Shore type of vibe yer?

The new regime aren't young guys though. The supposed boss, is nearing his 70's. Tony La Piana is 71, and according to some is the brains of the admin group. Which is nothing out of the ordinary as since the 70's and Jack Tocco took over and created this sort of admin group, in which one side are the street guys and the other are the business types. Jackie The Kid represents the blue-collar mob guys, La Piana is more of a white collar crook. Tony Pal is 73, And with your claim of "they had their life's planned out for them when they were still in diapers", implying that because of that , they have no leadership skill. Wouldn't that also apply to last batch of leaders the Detroit Mob has had? For the last three decades or so, the administration has consisted of second generation mobsters, either by birth or through marriage. Black Jack Tocco "had his life planned out for him when he was still in diapers" by his father, Black Bill Tocco. So did his underboss at one point Tony Zerilli. The same applies to this new administration. And then there's Petey Spec's, 63 years old. None of them are runny nose kids, and they all have their rep which they've spent years building.

I would pay to see you say that to Jackie, or anyone else for that matter. You would wet your pants. I love keyboard warriors hiding behind 1998 dell monitors on these mob sites. Real tough guys.

I could imagine your face trying to tell the D'anna brothers that they aren't shit.

http://www.macombdaily.com/general-news/...ss-new-evidence

You actually wasted your time giving the guy a legit reply like this?

kudos to you my friend. lol

I know Blackjack, there are a lot of keyboard tough guys on here. My Father always told me those that you should fear most are the people that keep their mouth's shut and that is the truth.

I just never understood these anonymous trolls who say shit like "this mobster looks like a pussy"

Meanwhile the guy has multiple bodies under their belt, while the only thing the poster has under their belt, is a stomach roll the size of a large dog.

Yet you claim Barney Bellomo would beat up Frank Cali based on what?

well, the d'annas are shit

they are criminals aren't they?

and the very worst kind on the lowest layer among italian ones in the area

they are street hoods, with connections but still street hoods

Same reason you stalk personal fb and instagrams of mobsters I guess.

Go sip your tea and continue to envy America, and stop stalking me weirdo.