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Re: Gene Gotti Release date!
[Re: JasonAnthony74]
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12/06/14 02:43 PM
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Referencing mob guys about their " one on one " toughness is so ridiculous it shouldnt even be discussed. If there was a UFC champion back in 1984 and nick scarfo approached him and said: " you're dead, sleep with one eye open", i highly doubt the tough guy UFC fighter would be thinking choke hold. He would be more concerned about the pants he just urinated in.
Wise guys care about making money and thats it. If someone gets in the way of making their money, they dont stop and ask if he is a good fighter. They kill him, make their money, and call it a day. A lot of you younger guys are a bit too wet behind the ears to understand that.
When someone says such and such a person is feared its because of the following.
1) he can literally snap his fingers and have a bunch of guys do whatever he tells them to do.
2) what ever he does, he can care less about the consequences such as jail. That makes no sense to a normal person. These guys arent normal, they are brainwashed.
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Re: Gene Gotti Release date!
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12/06/14 03:04 PM
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I think what he was saying is that Gotti & Galante, while tough in their own right, would probably lose more fights than they would win in prison and a lot of the fear they command (particularly Galante) is because of how much power they had and how intemperate they were.
Nothing soft and weak about them physically or even mentally. It's just that their physical prowess does not match up to their aura. Exactly! That's what I was trying to convey. Take other mafia bosses for example -- guys like Carlo Gambino and Paul Castellano: both those guys were feared and had a lot of power and sway in the criminal world. But if you took either guy out of his element and put him in some prison out here on the West Coast (or even in another country), what would you be left with: an old, physically weak guy who would be easy pickings for any random jailhouse predator. The power of a typical mafia boss is sort of transitory. They have a lot of power when they are in their own element (and when backed up by their organization), but when isolated and moved to another area (or placed in a prison), they become very ordinary. I'm sure a lot of guys in the mob are physically tough and capable, but simply being a mobster or belonging to a mob family does not make one a physical beast or a proficient, highly-skilled fighter. And sitting around in social clubs, smoking cigars, and feasting on gourmet foods doesn't do much for one's physical abilities. The same can be said of any leader. Is the head of the Mexican Mafia the toughest Hispanic gangster in the country? Anyone in prison can make a shank and kill him. The only problem is there will be others hunting for him. There's always going to be people physically bigger and stronger. Intimidation and fear doesn't just come from muscles and size.
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Re: Gene Gotti Release date!
[Re: Belmont]
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12/08/14 03:35 PM
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Referencing mob guys about their " one on one " toughness is so ridiculous it shouldnt even be discussed. If there was a UFC champion back in 1984 and nick scarfo approached him and said: " you're dead, sleep with one eye open", i highly doubt the tough guy UFC fighter would be thinking choke hold. He would be more concerned about the pants he just urinated in.
Wise guys care about making money and thats it. If someone gets in the way of making their money, they dont stop and ask if he is a good fighter. They kill him, make their money, and call it a day. A lot of you younger guys are a bit too wet behind the ears to understand that.
When someone says such and such a person is feared its because of the following.
1) he can literally snap his fingers and have a bunch of guys do whatever he tells them to do.
2) what ever he does, he can care less about the consequences such as jail. That makes no sense to a normal person. These guys arent normal, they are brainwashed. I wasn't singling out mob guys for there one-on-one toughness just for the heck of it; I was, in fact, making the reference related to Gotti and his fight in prison. The case of Gotti was interesting, because you had a well-known mafia boss of a large New York family that got beaten up by some small-time hood. I then made the case that many guys like Gotti get by on their tough reputations, but many times their reputations are built on the backs of their henchman; and if you isolate many of those tough guys and take away their power base, they often times become targets. But I agree with you that muscle and brawn is not the end-all, be-all of anything. And I would much rather piss of a UFC fighter or boxing champion than I would a mafia boss.
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Re: Gene Gotti Release date!
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i'm kind of " disappointed " with that PB, didn't expect it from you. Well, if it makes you feel any better, I'm disappointed with me, too. But the guy (Cook County) deliberately brings out the worst in me through his taunts. And I'm sorry, but when a guy lives DOWN to a certain stereotype, then it's not a stereotype anymore. When Italian Americans do it I'm the first one to point it out. So if I'm willing to take my own people to task, then in my mind I'm not doing anything wrong by pointing it out when Blacks do the same thing. I think I'm being consistent. And I see that this is only your second post, so welcome to the board and all that.
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Re: Gene Gotti Release date!
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12/15/14 02:17 PM
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I have to say though, THIS dude is definitely LCN to the core. To be locked up since 1989 and not squeal takes a tough man. Like or dislike the Gotti family, they deserve respect for taking their knocks like men. Gene is doing 25+yrs (rejected plea to boot). Peter is doing effectively life. Richard's done time. Jnr did 10yrs and faced FOUR trials facing LIFE. And John. Who some here like to say wasnt LCN and you may not like his style but ate his life sentence with a smile. Thats more LCN than most, if it be said. All in all thats A HELL of alot of years for 4 siblings and a son. All without a peep. So like or lump the Gotti's, they pay their dues. For what its worth.
MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack.
CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go.
MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'.
WILL: So don't go.
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Re: Gene Gotti Release date!
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I can only imagine how angry he would become if the send him right back to the slammer! If his brother let him take the plea he would have been home more than ten years ago. So if he's bitter about anything, that tops the list. Stand up guy, though. No doubt.
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Re: Gene Gotti Release date!
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12/16/14 06:17 AM
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Interesting, I never thought about what Gotti Jr would have done had he been convicted. If his father was still alive he would have NEVER flipped, but after his death... all bets are off, I guess when you're facing a LWOP sentence, especially if you got family and children.
I get that John Jr was never really boss material, but I don't get all the hate on him. I saw his 60 mins interview and he had an air of intelligence about him which I liked. If he's really out of the life and didn't rat on nobody, then he's made the right choice and I salute him.
-I shot him a coupla' times.
-What's a couple?
-Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times?
-Maybe fifteen?
-Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
-Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso
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Re: Gene Gotti Release date!
[Re: vitovito]
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12/16/14 06:42 AM
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the problem with the dislike for for him is ..he was very abusive, talked down to most everybody, he gave no respect to the old timers.. greedy , thats why he got pinched with scores, he was not the least bit humble, he was faking his way through only because of the power he held, his closest guys hated him..at trials he gave up his uncle pete, pushed blame with names all over the cases, most important he gave up cosa nostra, he said he was in the mafia but quit..that is ratting..then comes out he meets with the G and wants to give up certain guys..he ratted again..60 minutes was all bullshit.. he went on 60 minutes..he made speeches outside court..if the mob lets you walk away with millions ..shut up and live life, not keep talking about a life you shun..now that he realized he does not like prison food and can't order anyone around anymore..,hey i can keep going.. i am looking forward to alites book...they will call him a liar, but most stuff is true..he was around and very close to jr forever....hope that helps..
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Re: Gene Gotti Release date!
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12/16/14 07:14 AM
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Anyone know if Jnr's movie is still on? Last I heard they had Pesci, Travolta, Lohan on board. Which could make it a good watch or the mother of god-aweful flops.... Yeah, they're gonna start production the same day Pete Gotti walks out of jail  . Every one of those photo ops was a shameless attempt to raise capital for the film. Didn't work. And it doesn't help that no one can stand Marc Fiore (the producer). I said it was never gonna happen from four years ago. And if it does it will be one of those straight to dvd films with a B List cast. And Travolta is sixty now. Same age as John when he died. So how the Hell is he gonna play a 35 year old man (assuming the film was to start in the '70s)?
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Re: Gene Gotti Release date!
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12/16/14 07:18 AM
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But those totally convincing and not fake looking in any way hair plugs and wigs make him look half his age. Yeah, they make him look heterosexual, too.
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Re: Gene Gotti Release date!
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12/16/14 07:31 AM
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But those totally convincing and not fake looking in any way hair plugs and wigs make him look half his age. Yeah, they make him look heterosexual, too.   Oh well, I'm sure Jnr's Bio is next to follow. The objectively titled '101 Things wrong with Albanians.'
MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack.
CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go.
MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'.
WILL: So don't go.
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Re: Gene Gotti Release date!
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12/16/14 07:33 AM
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The objectively titled '101 Things wrong with Albanians.' Number 34: John Alite
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Re: Gene Gotti Release date!
[Re: vitovito]
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Do you think the goverment kept the 350k cash that was found in jnrs house? It was wedding gift money afterall! I think i read somewhere Chin gave him 10k as a gift! so he must of been somewhat liked.lol To get it back he would have to prove it was really gifts from wedding guests which would mean whoever gave it to him would have to declare the money was a gift and came from a legal source. I'm not sure but i doubt he ever got any of it back. Once the feds seize stuff it's very hard to get it back, especially when your last name is Gotti.
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Re: Gene Gotti Release date!
[Re: vitovito]
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Do you think the goverment kept the 350k cash that was found in jnrs house? It was wedding gift money afterall! I think i read somewhere Chin gave him 10k as a gift! so he must of been somewhat liked.lol The Feds robbed over 200k from Willie. And he went to work for them. That tells you everything you need to know.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Gene Gotti Release date!
[Re: vitovito]
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12/16/14 10:59 AM
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Really? I'm a little surprised about John Jr. I guess none of these "juniors" seem to be cut out for the life. Did he actively rat on people? I never heard about this. I wouldn't exactly call admitting the existence of Cosa Nostra a betrayal in this day and age, to be honest... although I know what you mean.
When is Alite's book coming out btw? I hear he was a real scumbag. I was surprised to hear he was Albanian as his name isn't that widespread... must be from Kosovo. It's probably 'Aliti' which is much more common.
-I shot him a coupla' times.
-What's a couple?
-Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times?
-Maybe fifteen?
-Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
-Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso
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Re: Gene Gotti Release date!
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12/16/14 11:24 AM
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as far as alite, maybe he is a scumbag, but he was the gottis scumbag forever, they didn't know what he was?? Boy, ain't that the truth. They only become junkie scumbags when they sever their ties to the street. When they're still around they're the greatest thing since Addeo bread. the louder jr and his washed out sister scream the more truth to it.. You mean Vicki's not a natural blonde? I'm shocked. Shocked.
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