Any news on who is new montreal boss. Havent heard much in the last few months

I've been a lurker here for a long time, and I signed up just to answer your post.

The Montréal family is of course so secretive and the Canadian laws so loose and the Quebec police in particular so corrupt that it is almost impossible to know for sure what is happening. But from what I have heard, and I am sorry that I cannot recall the source material, Francesco Arcadi is the new boss, although he is in prison until 2017.

In the meantime, they say Rocco Sollecito is the street boss until then. Sollecito's son Stefano is quickly working his way up the ranks as well.

Yes kind of figured it would be one of those two. For whatever its worth i read when arcadi was street boss while rizzuto was in jail he wasnt well liked on the street. Also he was not considered to have done a good job.

I remember an article from a few months ago that said both Rocco Sollecito and Vito's other son Leonard(who's a lawyer) were on some kind of ruling panel. no idea how true it is.

Is leonard rizzuto even made ?? It's defo sollecito and possibly domenico manno despite his advanced age

Macri?

Domenico Macri is dead and has been since 2006. Leonard Rizzuto is not made to my knowledge.

As for guys not liking Arcadi, it's to be expected, Vito Rizzuto was a one in a million. Tough act to follow. Rizzuto was fluent in four languages, he was actually a towering intellect who through a reputation of doing dirty work as well could communicate with and win the loyalty of street guys too.

This is the most underrated family in the world to watch and of course they like it that way. They're still operating like the Genovese, Gambino and Chicago families did at their peak in the 1960s, with reach right into the federal government. Albeit, the Canadian government.

I'm a Canadian so before any fellow canucks flame me, I can say that!

I agree Joe this family is very underrated and they are/were huge money makers.

I will NEVER believe the story about Leonardo Rizzuto being on a ruling panel. Yes him and his sister are lawyers and yes he helped his Dad do a lot of deals and things like that, but I DO NOT believe he is a player in Montreal. Is he watching over Vito's interests? I think so but not so much in his illegal ventures. I think it ends there.

I think Sollecito is probably still the man if that was true.

I am inclined to believe sollecito is top guy not jn jail right now. I read an article that said rizzuto was aided in his vendetta by "ruthless, younger generation". Cousins and sons of the old guard. Any ideas who these are? Any names jump out

Plenty of young guys coming up:

Stefano Sollecito, Rocco's son (42 I think), Francesco del Balso (currently in jail - mid/late 30s, I believe already a capo) Jonathan Mignacca (Desjardins' driver, 29 not made yet i don't think but an up and comer), Nicola di Marco (early 40s), Giuseppe Fetta is another fairly young guy.

Lots of young zips too who come over from the old country, another one of the reasons it has been so hard for police to infiltrate the family over the years.

I have heard there are certainly 100-150 made guys with hundreds of associates - and the thing about Canada is that even the ones who go to jail don't go for very long, so most are back on the street in 5-7 years.

Project Colisee which was the most major bust of OC in Canadian history arrested 90 of these guys in one swoop in 2007 and there were still plenty left to shoot up the streets of Montreal, so even the 150 estimate could be conservative, although granted many of the 90 were only associates.

I have a friend in the RCMP who says the truth is they don't even know what's going on most of the time. Getting informants is tough, its not like it is in the US. Canadian authorities have to this day never flipped a made member of any Canadian mafia family, historical or present (which is now only the Rizzutos anyway.)

Sentences are way lower in Canada and most guys are wiling to do their time, which is usually only a few years anyway. And we don't have anything even resembling RICO laws so the police are far more limited in their ability to tap phones, etc. to know what is going on.

All of this also serves as the same reason why they can continue to attract smart, savvy "businessmen" types in Montreal -- the financial rewards are worth the relatively minor risks of getting apprehended, tried and convicted.

Sehr interessant, Joe.

Appreciate your knowledge and insight, but I have a hard time believing there are 100 - 150 made guys in Montreal. Reading some of the posts here, news and other media reports from Montreal and some of the criminal investigations suggests something more like 25 - 50 made guys in Montreal. I can believe 100 - 150 associates. Montreal is a fascinating family.

I am not trying to start a pissing match, nor is my intent to flame you. Just my take on what I have read.

I don't take it any such way TonyG - and of course you're free to believe whatever you wish.

Antonio Nicaso and James Dubro are the two most noted Mafia experts in Canada so if you really want to learn more about the Rizzutos I'd start with their stuff. Rizzutos also have a crew in Toronto run by Peter Scarcella, and presence on the West Coast as well. It is far too wide-ranging an enterprise to be 25-50 guys. I can name 25 members myself without making much effort, and just in this thread alone I've probably named 10.

As I said, Project Colisee took 90 guys off the streets and that was right before the body count started piling up - do you really believe that only 25 or so guys that would remain not arrested, based on your numbers, were responsible for the dozens of attempted murders and successful murders that took place in Montreal from 2007-current? It wouldn't seem logical.

Read up on the Rizzutos and tell me at the end of your research if you still think they're only at DeCavalcante/Philly level as you suggest.

I realize it may be hard to believe that in little ol' Canada there is this huge Mafia family, but its the truth. Our extremely lax laws, lax sentencing and lax immigration combined with the extreme corruption that is Quebec government is all of what makes it possible!

But, as I said at the beginning, believe what you wish.

Thanks for the insight Joe! Are things pretty settled in Montreal at the moment? Any recent murders? Also have there been any decent charts made for Montreal?

There is no more then 50 made men in Montreal but they have a shit ton of associates but if anyone here believes there are 150 made men in Montreal they are sadly mistaken.

Regardless of how many made men there are. I think it's pretty much fact that they're much more of a viable family than any LCN organization stateside.

no way that they have 100 MADE guys

colisee nabbed 90 but not all were MADE guys

I know Nicaso's work and I honestly do not recall him stating that high number of MADE guys

50 tops + a hell of a lot of associates

they are a not-to-be-f*cked-with, money-making machine nonetheless

Very interesting thread. I'm going to watch the Rizzuto crime family documentary this week.

The Sixth Family is a great read on the family too. There was supposed to be an updated version coming out this year or something but I haven't checked. One version even talks about Nick Sr's father Vito coming into port at New Orleans then being killed in NYC, came in with falsified papers.

In addition to 'The 6th family' the other definitive work on the Montreal family is 'Mafia Inc' by Andre Cedilot and Andre Noel.

Well worth the read.

Here's my opinion. The families in america were established by lucky and all the other bosses about 80+ years ago and Montreal was part of the 5 families who gave them permission to make there own family. Basically the guys were made by galante when he took over the bonannos from 75 to 79 and probably rusty and Massino after. That Spanish guy who was Vito's body guard who got whacked in Sicily some one didn't respect. I bet there's a bunch of zips up there from all parts of Italy but not there own family. They all answer to some boss over there but not a rizzuto.

Here's my opinion. The families in america were established by lucky and all the other bosses about 80+ years ago and Montreal was part of the 5 families who gave them permission to make there own family. Basically the guys were made by galante when he took over the bonannos from 75 to 79 and probably rusty and Massino after. That Spanish guy who was Vito's body guard who got whacked in Sicily some one didn't respect. I bet there's a bunch of zips up there from all parts of Italy but not there own family. They all answer to some boss over there but not a rizzuto.

100-150 made guys

That sounds like optimism more then anything. From all the info we've got the Rizzuto's are a smallish family in terms of made guys 30 or so made members. But they have shit loads of associates and work with other criminal orginzations.

They're clearly a powerful outfit though, even without Rizzuto.

Absolutely.

Seems like a lot of people are ready to put their life savings on the line to say Joe Gentile is wrong about his "estimate" on the amount of made guys up North. I don't know anything about canada, except for the stronger beer and moose population. My VERY HUMBLE opinion tells me that 100 made guys is not a stretch. Think about the number of families in Italy. Unless we are ONLY talking about Montreal. There are approx 500 made guys in NYC. To say there are 100+ made guys in the Montreal, to me, does not seem

far fetched. Plus, we really don't have any good informants giving us good info. Just playing devils advocate. Montreal is fascinating to me.

I have read Mafia Inc, and understand the international reach of the Rizzuto's.

I have also watched the 5th Estate coverage of the shooting in the York sandwich shop that crippled that lady and led to Scarcella's incarceration. I did not realize Scarcella was part of a Rizzuto crew. I thought he was part of the GTA Ndrine. Is there a source that officially ties him to the Rizzuto's / Montreal?

I will never forget that night I was about 15 minutes up the road at my uncles house when that failed attempt on Modica happened.

From what I know Scarcella was on good terms with Vito, but runs his own rackets in Toronto, he was a driver for Paul Volpe and was suspected in being involved in his death, after Paul died he took over his rackets. Paul was associated with the Magaddino family.

Of course we're talking about the Rizzutos.

Canada is overrun by zips. No news here.

that doesn't mean that they're all MADE tho.