Reasonable question. You could tell. They were on the street corner in Center City, not south philly. Ligambi is not a big guy, physically, by any stretch. The guys he had with him were fucking monsters. And, by the body language, positioning, etc.

It wasn't normal behavior for 3 friends/family members. Definitely were watching his back.

Nope. His kids aren't 6 feet + tall and 240 lbs. These guys definitely had the old mans back. Plain and simple.

Nope. His kids aren't 6 feet + tall and 240 lbs. These guys definitely had the old mans back. Plain and simple.

and that goes into speculation that someone has maybe informed him that if certain court cases in philly go the way we all think that uncle joe is going down for rico and then maybe uncle joe rolls on someone in s florida and maybe the word is out on the streets towards uncle joe

Ligambi flipping

gravano flipping...joey massino flipping....leonetti flipping

gravano flipping...joey massino flipping....leonetti flipping

I mean he is just a retired italian businessman

The guy ratted on his own uncle. The sonofabitch!

Ligmabi flipping this time around as opposed to the flowers thing in the late 80s are 2 different games. I have close family friends who were swept up in the 80s with scarfo and did 10+ years because of it.

When they talk about those days, they say it plain and simple: "you kept your mouth shut or they would kill you and your family". Scarfo and Philly LCN in the 80s were just as deadly and intimidating as any other gang in the US. It's the truth; look at the body count. And most of them were LCN family members.

Point is, Ligambi was all brand new when he got convicted of the flowers hit; that's what earned him his button. IF your around people all day long who have been in a crew for years and THEY are scared about getting whacked, AND at the same time you are watching these guys plot and scheme and kill; the way they hunt people down and kill em, you go directly to jail and shut the fuck up. IF not you worry when they are gonna get your daughter/grandkid/nephew; the one who chose to stay behind while the rest of you are in Nebraska.

Present day mob, this guy, along with the current administration in PHilly are almost encouraging flipping because bent finger and the rest have no repercussions. Who knows, maybe he wants to kill the rats and the other guys are saying NO WAY. If so, what the fucks he got to lose if he flips.

Have they ever gone after a family member like that?

Don't forget the 2011 indictment. 2 or 3 guys that pled out have already been released. Both Lucibello and Angelina get out in 2015.

I don't see how anyone can think Ligambi would flip. I mean, the guy already took a life sentence on the chin and didn't say boo. He's only out because of a miraculous technicality. That's why, if he went back to prison tomorrow, he had close to fifteen years on the street that he wouldn't have had. He's playing with house money if you ask me. But I'm a Bronx guy, so what the fuck do I know?

Ligmabi flipping this time around as opposed to the flowers thing in the late 80s are 2 different games. I have close family friends who were swept up in the 80s with scarfo and did 10+ years because of it.

When they talk about those days, they say it plain and simple: "you kept your mouth shut or they would kill you and your family". Scarfo and Philly LCN in the 80s were just as deadly and intimidating as any other gang in the US. It's the truth; look at the body count. And most of them were LCN family members.

Point is, Ligambi was all brand new when he got convicted of the flowers hit; that's what earned him his button. IF your around people all day long who have been in a crew for years and THEY are scared about getting whacked, AND at the same time you are watching these guys plot and scheme and kill; the way they hunt people down and kill em, you go directly to jail and shut the fuck up. IF not you worry when they are gonna get your daughter/grandkid/nephew; the one who chose to stay behind while the rest of you are in Nebraska.

Present day mob, this guy, along with the current administration in PHilly are almost encouraging flipping because bent finger and the rest have no repercussions. Who knows, maybe he wants to kill the rats and the other guys are saying NO WAY. If so, what the fucks he got to lose if he flips.

Ligambi, if he has two brain cells left to rub together MUST realise he's dodged enough bullets in his time.
The life sentence overturned on a miracle.
The recent racketeering trial.

If he's not walking away now he WANTS to die in the can.

But it's all a moot point really as it's all down to Nicodemo.
And saying that, uncle Joe's fucked.

Yeah Scarfo did. He couldn't get to Joe Salerno who testified against him in the Vincent Falcone murder so he sent Philip Narducci to shoot the guys father which he did and the guy got lucky and survived.

If he's not walking away now he WANTS to die in the can.

But it's all a moot point really as it's all down to Nicodemo.
And saying that, uncle Joe's fucked.

Is Philly the mess people say it is, or is the family tighter than people think?