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Alan Dorfman #805581
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Who was responsible for killing alan dorfman? I treid looking through the threads couldnt find it if it has been answered before

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I don't think the actual hitmen have ever been identified. The German was alleged to have been one of the shooters

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Originally Posted By: mulberry
I don't think the actual hitmen have ever been identified. The German was alleged to have been one of the shooters

Yeah, I don't really follow the Chicago to Vegas pipeline. But I'm pretty sure that no shooters were ever charged.


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Originally Posted By: mulberry
I don't think the actual hitmen have ever been identified. The German was alleged to have been one of the shooters


I think most of the time if a body fell in Chicago you had one of 3 options: The German, LaPietra's, and Aleman lol

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I haven't come across any information that indicated anyone has been charged.

Irv Weiner was accompanying Dorfman to lunch when he was gunned down in a parking lot. Best I recall, 6-7 .22 shots to the head. Weiner wasn't harmed.

I believe Spilotro was in Vegas and Lombardo was locked-up at the time Dorfman was murdered. Lots of suspects have been mentioned, but none charged as far as I can remember.

Re: Alan Dorfman [Re: dixiemafia] #805601
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Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
Originally Posted By: mulberry
I don't think the actual hitmen have ever been identified. The German was alleged to have been one of the shooters


I think most of the time if a body fell in Chicago you had one of 3 options: The German, LaPietra's, and Aleman lol

Or "The Arm." whistle


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Re: Alan Dorfman [Re: merlino] #805603
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Pretty sure Schweihs was the main suspect. Aleman was locked up at the time I believe. It was probably somebody from Grand Avenue because Lombardo was the liaison to Dorfman and the Teamsters, and he had just gone to jail while Dorfman was allowed to post bond.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Or "The Arm." whistle


lol lol lol

Originally Posted By: Snakes
Pretty sure Schweihs was the main suspect. Aleman was locked up at the time I believe. It was probably somebody from Grand Avenue because Lombardo was the liaison to Dorfman and the Teamsters, and he had just gone to jail while Dorfman was allowed to post bond.


Yea I should have said 4, I forgot about Lombardo as well. I should have left Aleman out as he spent most of his life in jail but when he was out it seems he was doing nothing but clipping folks lol

Re: Alan Dorfman [Re: merlino] #805615
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klukinski, said he did it, he also said he killed demeo. don't believe it though.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: Alan Dorfman [Re: Snakes] #805626
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Originally Posted By: Snakes
Pretty sure Schweihs was the main suspect. Aleman was locked up at the time I believe. It was probably somebody from Grand Avenue because Lombardo was the liaison to Dorfman and the Teamsters, and he had just gone to jail while Dorfman was allowed to post bond.

This theory would make the most sense.

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Originally Posted By: merlino
Who was responsible for killing alan dorfman? I treid looking through the threads couldnt find it if it has been answered before


Initially Frank Schweihs and Ray Spencer ( never heard of Spencer) were named as suspects. Paul Schiro and John Fecarotta later became "persons of interest."

Unsolved.

Re: Alan Dorfman [Re: Binnie_Coll] #805778
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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
klukinski, said he did it, he also said he killed demeo. don't believe it though.


lol did he really try to take credit for Dorfman too? that might be his most out there claim Ive heard so far...............and thats saying A LOT

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I guess you need to add Joseph Hansen's name to that list. He did his fair share of work for the Outfit in the seventies and eighties.


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Re: Alan Dorfman [Re: Sal_Bronte] #805804
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Originally Posted By: Sal_Bronte
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klukinski, said he did it, he also said he killed demeo. don't believe it though.


lol did he really try to take credit for Dorfman too? that might be his most out there claim Ive heard so far...............and thats saying A LOT
no, I was just joking, but, that guy is really over the top, I mean was. hes dead now, thank god....



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: Alan Dorfman [Re: Binnie_Coll] #805805
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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Sal_Bronte
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
klukinski, said he did it, he also said he killed demeo. don't believe it though.


lol did he really try to take credit for Dorfman too? that might be his most out there claim Ive heard so far...............and thats saying A LOT
no, I was just joking, but, that guy is really over the top, I mean was. hes dead now, thank god....

lol lol


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Re: Alan Dorfman [Re: merlino] #805863
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Schweihs clipped him, current Grand Ave Capo Albie Vena drove the vehicle.

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Schweihs clipped him, current Grand Ave Capo Albie Vena drove the vehicle.

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Originally Posted By: Snakes
Pretty sure Schweihs was the main suspect. Aleman was locked up at the time I believe. It was probably somebody from Grand Avenue because Lombardo was the liaison to Dorfman and the Teamsters, and he had just gone to jail while Dorfman was allowed to post bond.


Yeah, someone in Lombardo's crew.

Wasn't it just a few weeks before that there was a wiretapped phone convo of Lombardo threatening his life in a round about way?

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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Schweihs clipped him, current Grand Ave Capo Albie Vena drove the vehicle.


I could definitely see the German doing the work.

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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Sal_Bronte
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
klukinski, said he did it, he also said he killed demeo. don't believe it though.


lol did he really try to take credit for Dorfman too? that might be his most out there claim Ive heard so far...............and thats saying A LOT
no, I was just joking, but, that guy is really over the top, I mean was. hes dead now, thank god....


lol nice

Re: Alan Dorfman [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #805900
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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Schweihs clipped him, current Grand Ave Capo Albie Vena drove the vehicle.


If Albie Vena drove the vehicle and he should be clear from halfway house Nov 2nd. Why would you mention his name in something like that since there are no Statutes of Limitations on that. Just Curious and not looking for a fight.

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Originally Posted By: FriendoftheFamily
Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Schweihs clipped him, current Grand Ave Capo Albie Vena drove the vehicle.


If Albie Vena drove the vehicle and he should be clear from halfway house Nov 2nd. Why would you mention his name in something like that since there are no Statutes of Limitations on that. Just Curious and not looking for a fight.


Do you really think Vena is going to get indicted over someone on a forum saying it?

Prosecutor:"Judge, we have indicted Mr. Vena on this decades old homicide as new evidence has surfaced. "HuronSocialAthletic" from gangsterbb.com said he drove the vehicle"

Judge: "Good enough for me!"

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It was likely someone in Lombardo's crew since Dorfman was considered "his man."

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Originally Posted By: FriendoftheFamily
Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Schweihs clipped him, current Grand Ave Capo Albie Vena drove the vehicle.


If Albie Vena drove the vehicle and he should be clear from halfway house Nov 2nd. Why would you mention his name in something like that since there are no Statutes of Limitations on that. Just Curious and not looking for a fight.

Al Vena is not in a halfway house....Lou Marino is.

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Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: Snakes
Pretty sure Schweihs was the main suspect. Aleman was locked up at the time I believe. It was probably somebody from Grand Avenue because Lombardo was the liaison to Dorfman and the Teamsters, and he had just gone to jail while Dorfman was allowed to post bond.


Yeah, someone in Lombardo's crew.

Wasn't it just a few weeks before that there was a wiretapped phone convo of Lombardo threatening his life in a round about way?

I believe you're thinking of when he told Morris Shenker that he might not live to see his next birthday.

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Originally Posted By: funkster
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: Snakes
Pretty sure Schweihs was the main suspect. Aleman was locked up at the time I believe. It was probably somebody from Grand Avenue because Lombardo was the liaison to Dorfman and the Teamsters, and he had just gone to jail while Dorfman was allowed to post bond.


Yeah, someone in Lombardo's crew.

Wasn't it just a few weeks before that there was a wiretapped phone convo of Lombardo threatening his life in a round about way?

I believe you're thinking of when he told Morris Shenker that he might not live to see his next birthday.


Ahhh Yea, you are correct

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Actually you can get indicted from a message board post

A message board post regarding Mike McQuery seeing something very in appropriate about Jerry Sandusky is what partially broke the case .

That anonymous post led to investigators questioning McQuery which provide a crucial eye witness to arrest Sandusky.

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Originally Posted By: merlino
Who was responsible for killing alan dorfman? I treid looking through the threads couldnt find it if it has been answered before


Probably won't help much, but here's the story.

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1983/01/21/page/1/

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Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: FriendoftheFamily
Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Schweihs clipped him, current Grand Ave Capo Albie Vena drove the vehicle.


If Albie Vena drove the vehicle and he should be clear from halfway house Nov 2nd. Why would you mention his name in something like that since there are no Statutes of Limitations on that. Just Curious and not looking for a fight.


Do you really think Vena is going to get indicted over someone on a forum saying it?

Prosecutor:"Judge, we have indicted Mr. Vena on this decades old homicide as new evidence has surfaced. "HuronSocialAthletic" from gangsterbb.com said he drove the vehicle"

Judge: "Good enough for me!"

whistle


Fucking classic lol

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Originally Posted By: DB
Actually you can get indicted from a message board post

A message board post regarding Mike McQuery seeing something very in appropriate about Jerry Sandusky is what partially broke the case .

That anonymous post led to investigators questioning McQuery which provide a crucial eye witness to arrest Sandusky.



The post itself didn't get anyone in trouble, they found it to be a credible lead, questioned him and then got the ball rolling. The post itself was not used as evidence. At best someone could question someone about what was said. Unless there is evidence nobody gets indicted.

I could say I'm slinging drugs out the wazoo here, like 1 ton a week of heroin. Doesn't mean I'd get indicted unless someone had proof. It's no different than hearing word from the street and following that up to see if it's true or not.

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