If they wanted to get rid of the body there are other ways than dumping it out in the open.

I don't believe Massino's story at all. Sonny Black wasn't that stupid to think he could make a play for boss a few months after letting a fed infiltrate his crew

The body was badly decomposed when found. I know nothing about decomposed bodies but one would think that in this case, the decomposition may be the reason why the hands were missing. I don´t know. Was the dead body definitely identified as being the body of Sonny Black?

Thats Joesph Massino Bullshit.

'Powerplay?'

Bullshit.


Sonny Black, just let into his crew an FBI agent, Mirra got hit, Lefty a contract, but people want to believe Sonny was making a power play and thats why he got hit?
Beyond a joke.

And here's the reason. Because Dominick took his fucking watch and rings off, and went to a 'sit down' fully aware he was going to get hit. And when he was, and they missed? He said 'hit me again, this time make it right."

Anyone want to argue thats the actions and words of a guy making a 'POWER PLAY'?

Please.

Anyone who can kill, and can't do anything else is over rated.

It doesn't matter what anyone claims, or whether U agree or disagree they were notorious hitmen. Truth was both Gotti and chin took on mob contracts thus they are "mob hit men". They weren't no Big Paulie.

And i think you've confused yourself, I NEVER implied they only did one hit each, you assumed I did.

I was merely pointing out that these were the hits or rather attempted hits that gained them
Immense notoriety early on and even later on in their criminal careers.

Sonny, we know this how?


"And here's the reason. Because Dominick took his fucking watch and rings off, and went to a 'sit down' fully aware he was going to get hit. And when he was, and they missed? He said 'hit me again, this time make it right."

The Iceman and probably Roy DeMeo plenty of people got chopped up Roy and his older queer cousin were the ambitiously gay duo from SNL

hello sonny b, did sonny bring him around or did lefty? if that was the case why not kill lefty also? sonny was a threat to fat boys rise…only my opinion and what i heard about sonny way back.

Completely agree SB, and Sonny's reputation was pure old school..not one of a cowboy out for a power play.

Frank Lino who was present at the murder testified that's what happened when they hit Sonny Black.

if you reread what i posted, i said fat boy was making a power play..not sonny.

Correct...was reading SB's..apologies.

Yeah there really is no such thing as a "hitman." LCN is all about money. Making money. That's the number one thing. People have been paid to do hits yeah, but I doubt there was ever a person who made all (or even a good portion) of year's pay from murders.

I think Mad Dog Sullivan may have...at least according to him.

Apol on the misread Bronx but again, the whole power play notion is bullshit IMO. SonnyB or JM.

SB was hit, Mirra and a contract on Lefty. Either a huge coincidence or as a result of introducing a fed into the family.

How the Feds ate what JM said on the stand is beyond me.

The question asks about overrated. Nowhere are Gotti or Gigante rated as top hitmen, so how can they be overrated? That's like saying a third string benchwarmer on a football team is the most overrated player. Try some reading comprehension

If Massino was making a power play them why kill Sonny Black? Massino was already closer to Rusty and Sonny Black would never be chosen as underboss after letting Pistone into his crew

FBI wiretaps picked up a hit on Lefty and that's why they arrested him on the way to a meeting.

was anyone pinched for the conspiracy?

I think I should clarify my use of the word "hitman" I intended for it to be synonymous to mob killer,hitter,gunner,thug, physco ect. I did not mean literally someone you pay 10k to who wears a black suit with a sniper rifle in a briefcase. I should have been more specific as I do know the difference. Another way to put it I wanted this thread to kind of be a response to the thread asking which mobster had the highest body count. I was curious basically of which individuals commonly on those type of lists may not really belong.

As an aside I find it interesting that some of the most violent mobsters were also some of the best earners....example Roy deep and Sam destafano

Do those people even exist? I really don't know: I only know them from movies like The day of the Jackal end The American for instance. (if so, contact me)

They said it was because he shook hands with brasco , truth is that's bullshit , massino feared he him and had him whacked

I never heard, but that was the FBI's story and they said they had to get him off the streets. They then tried to get him to flip telling him that he was on the hit list but he refused.

I think the Jewish hitters of Murder Inc likely got paid. Why else would they do those hits for the Italian families? Then there was the sniper who killed the elder Rizzuto. Most mobsters are that good of shots.

Why would Massino fear Sonny Black? Napolitano had zero clout at the time of the murder, just after the Joe Pistone fiasco. If he wasn't whacked, he would have been demoted or shelved for his carelessness.

he was going to make piston, that alone calls for the death sentence. wanting to make an fbi agent? no capo could survive knowing a fbi agent.

No where are gotti and chin rated as too hitman?

Well according to crazy sal Polishi everyone "paid homage" to gotti after his hit on Jimmy mcbratney. He was sent by non other than don Carlo himself.

sammy the bull said gotti was known for doing many hits personally

So I think it's safe to safe Gotti was a top hitman back in his days that Paul or Neil went to when a piece of work needed doing

Just because he doesn't appear on any magical "greatest hitman of all time list' u seem to think exists on the internet, doesn't mean he wasn't a heavy hitter, he was!

I'll take crazy sal and Sammy's word over yours any day

And in regards to this thread, Gotti was overrated for the Irish hit simply because he wasn't the trigger man but people nonetheless feared him because of it seeing that was a very public hit and in the papers.

Whereas hits he did behind closed doors, not many people knew about it seeing they weren't there and nobody's writing about it

As for chin, same story. Everyone feared him for daring to take on a big job as Costello. Again not saying he didn't do other hits, he did

But this hit was also all over the news media. Therefore as a hitman he was very overrated for this bungled hit but people got the message

If he dared kill Costello, he'd kill anyone so all I'm saying is for a botched hit he was extremely overrated by the general public and other wise guys plus connected guys etc

If you read the book called Hoffa Found, Donald (Tony the Greek) Frankos certainly thinks a lot of himself.

how could chin be rated as a hit man. he proved he was terribly incompetent, hes lucky there wasn't a major war between families after he mishandled the hit on Costello. god help it. if he would have got the contract on albert Anastasia and missed. he was the most overated of them all. how could you trust that guy to hit a mouse.

I read his book contract killer. His claims are similar to those of kuklinski.